100/200 Bellagio Floor Decision

[Rick Nebiolo]

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One other facter that OP didn't mention, so I have no idea if it applies to this particular hand--I just have the funny feeling that it does.

I'm talking about people who feel the need to use their hands when they're betting without chips. They point to the spot on the table where they would place their chips, if they had any, and announce, "Bet!"

The trouble with this is, bringing your index finger down to point to a spot on the table looks like a check, and the word "bet" sounds like a check.

Again, this may or may not have even happened here. But I feel it should be considered.

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Great point. They mostly do this when they are betting on a large bill and/or with chips coming from the chip runner. I've seen misunderstands at least a hundred times over the years.

~ Rick

[Mitch Evans]

If you can't borrow from someone and have to bet without chips, the best course of action is to state the amount of the bet; "Two hundred" or "I bet two hundred"

[kemystery]

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-DeathDonkey

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similiar hand happened when i was at bellagio,

board came a straight, river went check check.
MP shows like A9 for top pair, button instamucks, dealer says" there is a straight on the board and never mucks buttons cars. Floor says since they are retrievable buttons cards play.



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this dealer should be severely reprimanded and/or terminated

WTF?

[mslucky]

I have seen this on many times at the Bellagio. They usually will let Player A call.

[NLSoldier]

How many of you think player A knew what the ruling would be and did this as an angle shoot to get a reaction from B when he "folded"?

[Hoi Polloi]

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The good dealers always repeat the action in such situations. That is, when a player is playing without chips, and he bets or checks, the dealer should say "bet" or "check" so his opponents clearly know the action. Since the dealer did not do this, it seems like player A was indeed exposing his hand on a check-check showdown; if he has not yet seen player B's hand, and player A's hand is known to all players, I would rule he's allowed to call.

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[JacksonTens]

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At the Bellagio if the cards are undeniably retrievable from the muck, then they can be. I'm guessing the floor allows him to call the bet since his hand is known and therefore easily retrievable.

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This is not the case at my casino. Cards that hit the muck are dead. Even if its a dealer error.

"Players must protect their cards at all times!"

JT