UPDATE 2 ..More Good News OG Bill .....

[stormy455]

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Again, it's just a hunch, but the liberals are your friends, here.

[/ QUOTE ]Personally, I wouldn't go that far. They may not be pushing this bill, which might mean they aren't your enemies, but they certainly didn't stand up and fight for you like a friend would.

[spatne]

That's funny. I almost edited my post to say something like "well, except maybe for Lincoln Chaffee."

That said, I don't think he's more liberal than 75% of Democrats (wouldn't that put him something like 10th most liberal in the Senate?) And even if he were, that wouldn't necessarily qualify him as liberal. There's a big dropoff from the real liberals like Feingold and the wannabes like Hillary Clinton.

Chaffee is pro-choice and pro-environment, which is excellent, but he also voted for cloture on Alito and Roberts, and voted for the bankruptcy bill. An often overlooked point is that simply by putting that (R) next to his name, he endorses Frist as majority leader and conservative heads of the Senate committees.

He can cast all the symbolic votes for Herbert Walker Bush that he wants, but if he were really so upset with his party he could've switched to an (I) like Jeffords did. He probably would've improved his reelection prospects.

Anyway, this may by a moot point in a few months as Sheldon Whitehouse is looking good.

[spatne]

If they voted against it, then yes, they did.

[stormy455]

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If they voted against it, then yes, they did.

[/ QUOTE ]True, but your statement was a generalization that liberals were our friends. The Democrats in the House voted 60%-40% in favor of H.R. 4411. That doesn't sound like they fought too hard on our behalf.

[spatne]

And I *also* said (very clearly) that not all Democrats are liberals. Looking at the Dem voting percantages doesn't tell you much about how liberals voted. Liberals are a minority within the Democratic party, which (IMHO as a liberal Dem) is unfortunate.

[stormy455]

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And I *also* said (very clearly) that not all Democrats are liberals. Looking at the Dem voting percantages doesn't tell you much about how liberals voted. Liberals are a minority within the Democratic party, which (IMHO as a liberal Dem) is unfortunate.

[/ QUOTE ]All I can say is WOW!!! I guess it depends on your perspective and definition of liberal. You're right that not all Democrats are liberal (just as not all Republicans are conservative), but I find it difficult to believe that liberals are the minority of the Democrats in the House. I could be wrong, but color me skeptical.

[jt1]

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it depends on your perspective and definition of liberal.

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In mainstream American political jargon, I would think a liberal is Socialist, Green, ACLU sympathetic, and against all military intervention.

[mmcd]

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There aren't any liberal Republicans.

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There's Lincoln Chafee, who is more liberal than 3/4 of Democrats.

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You can't measure Rhode Island politicians on the same scale as the rest of them.

[ChrisAJ]

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it depends on your perspective and definition of liberal.

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In mainstream American political jargon, I would think a liberal is Socialist, Green, ACLU sympathetic, and against all military intervention.

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I think you just described Nancy Pelosi.

[stormy455]

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it depends on your perspective and definition of liberal.

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In mainstream American political jargon, I would think a liberal is Socialist, Green, ACLU sympathetic, and against all military intervention.

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I think you just described Nancy Pelosi.

[/ QUOTE ]And she voted for H.R. 4411. That's one known liberal who isn't our friend.