Party $11- QQ reraised all in on first hand - Page 3

uphigh_downlow · #21 07-09-2006, 08:18 PM

fold, if you are any good :P

pkr2k5 · #22 07-09-2006, 09:10 PM

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a 3x BB raise at the 11s doesn't do jack for thinning the field. At the 11s the raise amount is often ignored. If they have a hand they want to play, 120, 150, 200 are all the same number.

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First off, I play the 11s and you are wrong. Secondly this slaps the reasons for raising more right in the face. If 120 is as good as 150 or 200 in terms of thinning the field, why raise more? All it does it build a massive pot when you are OOP.

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I would rather deal with a OOP HU than OOP with in a 4-5way pot.

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Of course...but like you said 120=200

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At 11 speeds on party, in my experience a 3xbb raise early in the game will often net you 3-4 callers.

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Why would you want to build a big pot OOP?

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Because you have QQ, and if the flop is undercards you will have a hoard of donks trying to to give you their stack with top pair

stupidsucker · #23 07-09-2006, 09:29 PM

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a 3x BB raise at the 11s doesn't do jack for thinning the field. At the 11s the raise amount is often ignored. If they have a hand they want to play, 120, 150, 200 are all the same number.

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First off, I play the 11s and you are wrong. Secondly this slaps the reasons for raising more right in the face. If 120 is as good as 150 or 200 in terms of thinning the field, why raise more? All it does it build a massive pot when you are OOP.

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I would rather deal with a OOP HU than OOP with in a 4-5way pot.

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Of course...but like you said 120=200

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I exaggerated a little. A little.

200 is much more likely to get you HU with Ax or 88 then 120 is. I have played thousands of 11s. a 3x bb raise hardly means anything to the general field there.

It is like a chain reaction with the players. One person calls, and suddenly anyone with paint or a 1gap wants to come in. There ARE players that are so unpredictable they will come over the top with 72o, because they think its cute.

You bet 3x the bb all you want with QQ. 200 might be on the high end, but 3x is too small. Have fun being paralyzed with any A or K on the board OOP against 4 callers. It happens A LOT!!!!

The word "often" means just that. Often, not always, and I stand by that 100%. If some jackass behind you wants to call with Kxs because he is on the button, he is going to call you if you bet 120, 200, or 300, but the larger bet will thin the field a little more.

Lets say if you bet 120 and you get an average of 2 callers, and a 200 bet will make it HU. You have given up only 40 chips, and made it HU.

I am willing to be wrong, but I am not willing to play the 11s unless I have to. Worrying too much about being OOP at the 11s with a hand like QQ is just over thinking imo. Save it for at least the 33s.

I think pushing QQ dry in level 1 is better then betting 120. AT and 88 will pay you so often.

stupidsucker · #24 07-09-2006, 09:34 PM

Auto call right? Or could anybody lay this down?

btw, to answer the question. At the 11s this is an autocall imo, but JJ is a fold, and AK is also a fold.

bighomeytim · #25 07-10-2006, 01:51 AM

Call

bighomeytim · #26 07-10-2006, 01:54 AM

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Raise to 120 rather than 200 and call the shove.

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For anything other than AA & KK the 3BB raise doesn't just play L1 in the $11's.

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So you're saying raise more? Because I usually raise this to 270 preflop.

blackize · #27 07-10-2006, 02:36 AM

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So you're saying raise more? Because I usually raise this to 270 preflop.

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Yeah after thinking about this a bit I think I agree that 3x isn't enough. Just open push it's clearly the only play.

microbet · #28 07-10-2006, 03:00 AM

Outside of those crazy bubble situations, I don't think I ever folded QQ preflop in the $11s.

guitarizt · #29 07-10-2006, 03:45 AM

Sounds like AK to me but could also be JJ. Maybe a maniac with anything though. How many times have you seen AA or KK played this way? So what if you lose if he has AK here, most the time you will be far ahead the times he doesn't have AK.

alvaroaze · #30 07-10-2006, 08:27 AM

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Auto call right? Or could anybody lay this down?

btw, to answer the question. At the 11s this is an autocall imo, but JJ is a fold, and AK is also a fold.

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Really? There is no way im folding JJ or AK here. You will often see Ax, 88-TT, etc. Im not worried about AA or KK, so only QQ scares me.