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#22
07-07-2006, 12:12 PM
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Re: TPWK and likely dominated... plus there\'s a flush draw
"Because why? I hate posts like this."
I'm guilty of that too. When BB raises preflop, I put him on some pretty good hands, including JJ+, and AK. On the flop, this is a normal continuation bet, even with an ace on the board. We are now ahead of JJ (6) and KK (6) and behind QQ (3) and AK (8), which means 12 winning, 11 losing. This looks WA/WB to me against the pfr. If we were going to add AQ (6) to the list, then we'd be winning 12, losing 17... but I think we'd have to discount AQ a little. Now, we have to add in what MP1 could have here. His range is much larger here... he seems very passive, only limping in initially, then calling the c/bet without raising. I would put him on Ax where x = 2-10 (12 for A2-A3, 8x8 = 64 for A4-AT); any flush draw, 6d5d-QdJd (6), 7d5d-KdJd (7), 9d6d-KdTd (5); also I'd put him on 2nd pair Q's, including Q8-QJ (12x4 - QdTd, QdJd = 46). So we're winning 6 on A2, tied 6 on A3, losing 64 A4-AT, winning 18 flush draws, and winning 46 2nd pairs = 70 winning, 64 losing, 6 tied. Again, this is pretty WA/WB against this guy alone. Against the two of them put together, the winning and losing is nearly equal. It might not matter what we do here in terms of EV, but I would just call. I wouldn't fold. 
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#24
07-07-2006, 12:19 PM
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Here\'s a hint:
Don't read it until after you've tried to answer it for yourself:
From the archives... Have you figured it out yet?
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#25
07-07-2006, 12:35 PM
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Re: Here\'s a hint:
Good hand post. Learned alot from this one.
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#28
07-07-2006, 08:55 PM
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Re: TPWK and likely dominated... plus there\'s a flush draw
[ QUOTE ]
"Because why? I hate posts like this." I'm guilty of that too. When BB raises preflop, I put him on some pretty good hands, including JJ+, and AK. On the flop, this is a normal continuation bet, even with an ace on the board. We are now ahead of JJ (6) and KK (6) and behind QQ (3) and AK (8), which means 12 winning, 11 losing. This looks WA/WB to me against the pfr. If we were going to add AQ (6) to the list, then we'd be winning 12, losing 17... but I think we'd have to discount AQ a little. Now, we have to add in what MP1 could have here. His range is much larger here... he seems very passive, only limping in initially, then calling the c/bet without raising. I would put him on Ax where x = 2-10 (12 for A2-A3, 8x8 = 64 for A4-AT); any flush draw, 6d5d-QdJd (6), 7d5d-KdJd (7), 9d6d-KdTd (5); also I'd put him on 2nd pair Q's, including Q8-QJ (12x4 - QdTd, QdJd = 46). So we're winning 6 on A2, tied 6 on A3, losing 64 A4-AT, winning 18 flush draws, and winning 46 2nd pairs = 70 winning, 64 losing, 6 tied. Again, this is pretty WA/WB against this guy alone. Against the two of them put together, the winning and losing is nearly equal. It might not matter what we do here in terms of EV, but I would just call. I wouldn't fold. [/ QUOTE ] Wow. This post makes my head hurt. Very nice.
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#29
07-07-2006, 09:18 PM
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A short history lesson
I transcribed this post from the original hand (the "hint" link). The real truth is that this was one the hand quoted in the famous Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games by Ed Miller 2.5 years ago. It seems that you're still folding too damn much.
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#30
07-08-2006, 02:11 AM
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Re: Here\'s a hint:
Enjoyed both posts. You have to continue reading the 2nd one, but the great tips continue.
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