AA with NFD

[nietzreznor]

Pokerstars 2/4, 5-handed


UTG limps, I raise to $18 in the CO with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Both the blinds call, everyone else folds.

SB in this hand is on the loose side, but not bad (as far as i can see). Also, I am playing with him on another table, and he has seen me raise frequently over the last few orbits on both tables. No read on BB.

Also, I have $400, BB has $480, SB covers.

Flop ($55): 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checks to me, I bet $50, SB raises to $150, BB folds

Call, reraise, or fold?

And if I call, whats my plan for the turn?



thanks

[Leptyne]

Can't call here. Push or fold. I'm pushing.

[xorbie]

If you were out of position I would understand a push but I think he's not going to call that without having you beat (you have a lot of outs in that case obviously, but still).

[nietzreznor]

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If you were out of position I would understand a push but I think he's not going to call that without having you beat (you have a lot of outs in that case obviously, but still).

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So would you call then? What do you do then if he half pots a brick turn? What if he pushes?

[xorbie]

I just don't see what's wrong with calling down. We are either slightly behind or way ahead, but I'm pretty sure a flop 3-bet push is going to get those way aheads to fold and those slightly behind's to call. What's the point?

[Lucky]

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I just don't see what's wrong with calling down. We are either slightly behind or way ahead, but I'm pretty sure a flop 3-bet push is going to get those way aheads to fold and those slightly behind's to call. What's the point?

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Its a tough spot, but i think the point is to make him pay if he has OESD with single diamond, or top pair with diamond draw. On the other hand, if he has two pair, or even set, he wont pay if fourth diamond hits.

I may fold, depending on read, but im probably pushing if i play.

[nietzreznor]

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I just don't see what's wrong with calling down. We are either slightly behind or way ahead, but I'm pretty sure a flop 3-bet push is going to get those way aheads to fold and those slightly behind's to call. What's the point?


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This was my reasoning at the time. I flat called the raise, and the turn bricked and he pushed. It seems to me that given how I played flop, and that fact that I have less than a pot-sized bet left, this is an easy call, no?
My reasoning being that the hands I'm way ahead of (smaller overpair probably with a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) will probably stick it in on the turn since they c/red the flop and checking would be akward unless they were totally bluffing and giving up.

[soah]

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I just don't see what's wrong with calling down. We are either slightly behind or way ahead, but I'm pretty sure a flop 3-bet push is going to get those way aheads to fold and those slightly behind's to call. What's the point?

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If you improve he folds, if you don't improve, you lose your stack.

[Leptyne]

When you bet the flop you would like for worse hands (str8 draw, overpair with non-nut flush draw) to call. Better hands aren't calling, they're checkraising. AA unimproved is not the nuts with this flop. I would think a better play would be to check behind on the flop. A push in response to the checkraise will only be effective against a bluff or a semi-bluff since you would be representing the nut flush. this is not a play that you would make without a read, and without your opponent having a good enough read on you to let you pull this off. If called I would think you are a 2:1 dog. I don't like a call here as villain won't pay you off if you make the flush on the turn. You're ~1:4 to improve on the turn, and villain isn't going to give you a free card there. You'll be allin on the blank turn, still ~1:4, no implied odds.

[Sephus]

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since you would be representing the nut flush

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to someone who sees you as a total rock pushing represents the nut flush.