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Old 05-30-2006, 10:42 AM
Isura Isura is offline
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No way I'm folding his. UTG is a retard so no reason to think he can beat 1 pair. Button may have a draw. Button may also have KK or QQ. If you're against 2 pair you have a reasonable amount of outs. Getting 4:1, I instacall.

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Old 05-30-2006, 10:42 AM
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what do u guys think of my raise to $15 on the flop?

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I'm probably making it at least $25.
This would make your decision easy after the re-raise.

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ZLOL. THere is no decision if you make that raise.
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Old 05-30-2006, 10:44 AM
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vulturesrow is proven right.

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Old 05-30-2006, 10:59 AM
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vulturesrow is proven right.

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I was pretty close with my first twodimes calc...here is the actual based on results. As shown it's +EV for hero to call with nearly 40% equity....I do think that this is the absolute best hero could have hoped for though...very likely he's completed murdered. Overall I think this call is -EV against the range, mainly because button is not a retard and he's faced a lead and raise...he knows hero has a hand and he doesn't care.

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1755893
pokenum -h ad ah - td 9d - as 9s - tc 9c -- 8s js th
Holdem Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Js 8s Th
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 308 37.56 497 60.61 15 1.83 0.383
Td 9d 0 0.00 633 77.20 187 22.80 0.080
As 9s 316 38.54 333 40.61 171 20.85 0.456
Tc 9c 0 0.00 633 77.20 187 22.80 0.080
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Old 05-30-2006, 11:01 AM
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"I do think that this is the absolute best hero could have hoped for though...very likely he's completed murdered"

I completely agree
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Old 05-30-2006, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: Is the pot too big to lay this down?

yeah if UTG was decent i would fold quickly.
This was a bitch of a call to make, but i eventually made the call based on the size of the pot

and i'll be looking out for the short stacks before i raise preflop with AA/KK next time. Funny how a short stack with 10BB can almost [censored] up a hand entirely. Good lesson learnt right there
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