Too little, too late for John Kerry

[HLMencken]

You're free to believe that, along with the pussy countries, many of which were mostly motivated by economic interests.

It's good foreign policy to spend billions every month (and a couple thousand lives) in futile wars that only undermine American interests in the long run. Why? Because it looks tough, and [censored], insecure males like you can't pass that up.

Oh, and since when is being motivated by economic interests a bad thing? Your beloved administration does this every day. It would be interesting to szpend a day in your fantasy land and see your perspective on the world. Maybe you should try to spend a day thinking objectively rather than a foaming-at-the-mouth nationalist and see how it fits.

[Chris Alger]

This doesn't merit a response, but it's funny on a couple of levels:

1. "Conservatives" don't know much and can't argue, so they're reduced to conjuring up logical corollaries to things they don't want to read, exaggerating them into absurdity and pretending it's a rebuttal. The conservative response to something like "Bush is an aggressor" is "so I suppose Saddam is a beacon of world peace."

2. "Conservatives" don't care much about politics and details, they're mostly about rallying behind a maximum leader, preferably someone with action hero or cowboy credentials. They naturally think it's wrong -- and incredibly think everyone else does too -- to "hate Bush," even though most of the world (and probably by now most Americans) can't stand him. Most people think that politics is about values, facts, etc. Conservatives can't grasp why it's now all about long-distance infatuations or dislike of remote celebrities they see on TV.

3. "Conservatives" hate honesty almost as much as they despise dissent. Moveon is self-avowedly "progressive," seeks to censure Bush, has a PAC that seeks to elect "liberals and moderates." It is therefore apparently authentic. Fox News, OTOH, a propaganda outlet for the right, lies about its purpose and pretends to be "fair and balanced." Conservatives predictably fault any group that honestly disagrees with them instead of pretending to be, as you say, "fair and balanced."

[Machinehead]

Let's say you're running one of the "pussy countries". You don't believe the US has any real evidence Iraq is a threat. A war would also be against your economic interest. And lets also throw in that you might think putting putting the lives of your citizens at risk for no good reason is a bad thing. Why would you goto war?

I don't understand how standing up to the superpower and saying you aren't going to join their BS war makes them pussies.

[FlFishOn]

The French can't even stand up to insurrection inside their own borders. If that isn't the textbook definition of pussy, I don't know what is. They will roll over, play dead, and hope (I'd use pray here but they're mostly secular now) that it's not a dress rehearsal.

[bobman0330]

The French can't even stand up to insurrection inside their own borders. If that isn't the textbook definition of pussy, I don't know what is.

Sounds like you had a crappy sex-ed textbook.

[Copernicus]

This doesn't merit a response, but it's funny on a couple of levels:

1. "Conservatives" don't know much and can't argue, so they're reduced to conjuring up logical corollaries to things they don't want to read, exaggerating them into absurdity and pretending it's a rebuttal. The conservative response to something like "Bush is an aggressor" is "so I suppose Saddam is a beacon of world peace."

2. "Conservatives" don't care much about politics and details, they're mostly about rallying behind a maximum leader, preferably someone with action hero or cowboy credentials. They naturally think it's wrong -- and incredibly think everyone else does too -- to "hate Bush," even though most of the world (and probably by now most Americans) can't stand him. Most people think that politics is about values, facts, etc. Conservatives can't grasp why it's now all about long-distance infatuations or dislike of remote celebrities they see on TV.

3. "Conservatives" hate honesty almost as much as they despise dissent. Moveon is self-avowedly "progressive," seeks to censure Bush, has a PAC that seeks to elect "liberals and moderates." It is therefore apparently authentic. Fox News, OTOH, a propaganda outlet for the right, lies about its purpose and pretends to be "fair and balanced." Conservatives predictably fault any group that honestly disagrees with them instead of pretending to be, as you say, "fair and balanced."

Your response is asinine on all levels.

[Copernicus]

Let's say you're running one of the "pussy countries". You don't believe the US has any real evidence Iraq is a threat. A war would also be against your economic interest. And lets also throw in that you might think putting putting the lives of your citizens at risk for no good reason is a bad thing. Why would you goto war?

I don't understand how standing up to the superpower and saying you aren't going to join their BS war makes them pussies.

Your basic premise is wrong, and renders the rest of the hypothetical irrelevant. There is no significant country who's intelligence thought Iraq was any less a threat than we did..in fact thanks to the hand tying of our own intelligence a good portion of our intelligence came from those other countries.

Now your left with the fact that they "knew" Iraq was a threat, yet still chose to favor their economic interests and let the US carry the financial and human burden of responding to the threat.

Continue your argument from there.

[NeedsMoreNuts]

The French can't even stand up to insurrection inside their own borders. If that isn't the textbook definition of pussy, I don't know what is. They will roll over, play dead, and hope (I'd use pray here but they're mostly secular now) that it's not a dress rehearsal.

France, despite its financial difficulties, used the occasion of the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) to seek revenge against Great Britain and the 1763 Treaty of Paris.

France entered into the war in 1778, and assisted in the victory of the Americans seeking independence from Britain (realized in the 1783 Treaty of Paris), also affirming its status as a great modern power and satisfying its taste for revenge, but harming the country’s finances.

Thanks, basic knowledge of American history!

[FlFishOn]

Yes, once great France was a great friend. Our debt to them has been paid twice over (forget Vietnam). They are now scum, best as I can tell. I purchased exactly one french product in the previous 5 years and did so by accident.

Fifty years from now there will be no European French culture. As are many European countries, they are heading toward cultural suicide at full speed. Au revoir.

[HLMencken]

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Now your left with the fact that they "knew" Iraq was a threat, yet still chose to favor a more cautious approach exploring other options such as contiunued sanctions and inspections rather than plunge headlong into an ill-planned, ill-conceived, and ill-executed war.


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Now continue *your* argument from there.