99, 2nd pair, mono flop, a c/r

[Scotty.]

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Quickly, to showdown!

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Agree with this. I don't understand how anyone can possibly advocate folding or raising anywhere. The flop C/R could be anything - a 6, 7, big spade, bluff, J, J with a spade, whatever. I would guess we are ahead probably a little more often than not, but raising anywhere just allows our opponent to really punish us when we are not or get away from his bad holdings.

[MATT111]

I like the turn raise line too. On the other hand I really want to have some read before I use it cuz I hate dumping made hands in big pots against unknowns. And I saw many retarded river desperation bluffs recently.

[wonkadaddy]

these hands are annoying. i passively check-call it down all the way unless another 9 hits.

but it's an easy decision to stay involved here. much tougher when you don't have the flush draw to go along w/your middle pair and have no idea if you're ahead or drawing extremely thin.

[BigEndian]

I think if you fold situations like this, you're opening yourself up to getting run over. This hand should be going to showdown routinely.

- Jim

[Fabian]

The responses surprise me a bit. I either 3-bet this or raise a non-spade turn, with 3-betting probably being more common.

[gaming_mouse]

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The responses surprise me a bit. I either 3-bet this or raise a non-spade turn, with 3-betting probably being more common.

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What do you do if capped? What do you do if c/raised on the turn?

[Fabian]

Call down and call down probably.

[gaming_mouse]

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Call down and call down probably.

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that seems too loose

[The Bryce]

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The responses surprise me a bit. I either 3-bet this or raise a non-spade turn, with 3-betting probably being more common.

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What do you do if capped? What do you do if c/raised on the turn?

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As a rule of thumb it's generally a bad idea to open the raising up again with hands that can't stand a lot of action just to charge a draw. You'll usually maky the same by calling down and you'll often put more money in when raised fearing some sort of semi-optimal semi-bluffing frequency on his part.

[Rudis]

I think that this is very true Bryce. A lot of people seem to forget that a missed flushdraw will ALWAYS (almost [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) bet the river when missed...