Your new WSOP champ is a chump.

[J.Brown]

this # is 100% fact, i was one of the backers.

you guys do the math. lol

[voltron.]

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If the tournament staff is going to take a tip out in advance for the staff and dealers I don't think the player should be under any obligation to tip more.

I would tip something of course, because it's just too much money and just to be nice, but in theory he already tipped a huge sum of money just by winning the prize.

Honestly I think that every tournament should just take the tip out in advance. It's really absurd to take the tip out of the prize pool and then get upset because someone doesn't extra tip. The WSOP directors obviously decided what they thought was a fair tip before the event.

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i agree. i think these big events should just take a fair fee out of the prizepool and forget about a tip.

with an event on this scale how can a player know what he should tip, how it gets distributed, etc.

[Jordan Olsommer]

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you believe what you like. the staff at binion's were not a happy crew.

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Fair enough, but don't expect a whole lot of people to believe you when your only evidence is an uncorroborated talk with three Binion's dealers and your response to what seemed to me to be pretty obvious questions is "believe what you want".

from "Positively Fifth Street", p. 323:

"I decide to tip $7,500, plus another $300 for John Gerhart [the dealer who dealt the satellite where he won his seat]. Altogether this comes to 3.3 percent of my profit...And now Tom [Elias] is thanking me so profusely I'm afraid I overdid it." (emphasis mine)

So McManus gives a 3.3% tip to the entire staff and $300 to a single dealer? Based on your standards I guess he's a chump too, right?

[fnurt]

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each down dealt is a share of that 2% rake. one dealer figured the most any one dealer made was 12k. this is not an average but an estimate of the amount the dealer with the most downs received.

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I really hate in life when they automatically charge you for the tip, but then they "expect" you to leave an extra tip on top of the tip. I hate this not just in poker tournaments, but in everything.

I don't get how taking $1.1M out of the prize pool isn't enough to compensate the dealers. The most any dealer got was 12k? I know the WSOP only comes around once a year, but still, it seems like 12k is pretty decent for a week's work.

How much does one have to tip, on top of the $1.1M, to not be a "chump"? How much are the rest of the final table finishers "expected" to tip, given that it's a pretty flat pay schedule? If it's really being split among 200 different dealers or whatever, you're going to have to tip an awful lot to make a difference in everyone's bottom line.

[m1illion]

not at all, it's a fair amount. but $100 is just horrible. you want to call the dealers liars that's fair too i guess.
and if you don't think they have access to that kind of info you're just wrong. Info like that spreads thru a casino in about 10 minutes

[BeerMoney]

Who cares. Its his money. What did the dealer risk?

[m1illion]

i don't think it's about the bottom line as much as it is about the gesture. Greg(as was posted) tipped 50k, a fine amount that shows he at least aknowledged the work done. 100 bucks is just cruel

[Howard Treesong]

The vig on the WSOP tourneys this year was pretty big. I'm generally fine with leaving a tip, but here, Harrah's already took a designated amount out of the prize pool for tip money. There's no obligation whatsoever to leave an additional tip.

Had I finished first, though, I probably would have left something more.

[Jordan Olsommer]

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not at all, it's a fair amount. but $100 is just horrible. you want to call the dealers liars that's fair too i guess.
and if you don't think they have access to that kind of info you're just wrong. Info like that spreads thru a casino in about 10 minutes

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Thank you very much for missing the fact that he tipped the satellite dealer $300 - the amount that McManus directly tipped the final table dealer was $0. Therefore I'm quite sure that he fits your rather absurd definition of "chump".

[popesc]

Does anybody know the percentage of 2004 WSOP ME prize pool was withheld for tournament staff?