Preflop decision vs Sirio11

[BPA234]

On the flop, Sirio will be pushing all his chips into the middle. Therefore you have an easy choice, either fold or push. IMO, his range is likely Big As, and medium to big PPs. Since you have the 8s, you are either dominated or racing. With the stacks what they are, this is a very easy fold.

[bgoalie35]

I haven't seen a lot of discussion about the position these two are in here. Try two other scenarios in the same situation, except:

1. Sirio is MP3 and Ansky is Button
2. Sirio is Button and Ansky is BB

[dmk]

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He even made fun of my cat.

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I hope you reported him to support. Given his repeated 8-requests and threatening of your fluffy friend sirio does not deserve his chat.

[uclabruinz]

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Mike the Mouth has nothing on Sirio. And then he really got into your head by raising 3xBB with only 10 behind him from EP with 72o. Did he show when you folded?

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why is a call not considered? with a UTG+1 raise to 3x, a flat call encourages the SB/BB to partake as well, does it not? If either/both the SB/BB come in as well, then wouldn't you want to play your 88 for set value? would you not take the rest of his chips with a flopped set (and possibly making the call correct w/implied odds assuming another player may come along?)

especially given that the player in question is so feared by you all and you have chips at this point to make the play??

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Implied odds are not there when villain's stack is so short.

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I was thinking 99 might be my bare minimum push hand, but now I'm leaning towards TT. Would sirio raise with A9s here? That affects me decision big time.

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If he's playing A9s, it'd almost certainly be for an open push with 10bbs right?

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Which is why if 88 is a fold, then 99 and TT are also.

[pdjplano]

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why is a call not considered? with a UTG+1 raise to 3x, a flat call encourages the SB/BB to partake as well, does it not? If either/both the SB/BB come in as well, then wouldn't you want to play your 88 for set value? would you not take the rest of his chips with a flopped set (and possibly making the call correct w/implied odds assuming another player may come along?)

especially given that the player in question is so feared by you all and you have chips at this point to make the play??

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Implied odds are not there when villain's stack is so short.

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if the sb and/or bb come along then they are, no?

also, is sirio that consistent with his play that he will ONLY make this play with large PPs that kill your 88? is he not ever going to make this play with AK/AQ?

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why is a call not considered? with a UTG+1 raise to 3x, a flat call encourages the SB/BB to partake as well, does it not? If either/both the SB/BB come in as well, then wouldn't you want to play your 88 for set value? would you not take the rest of his chips with a flopped set (and possibly making the call correct w/implied odds assuming another player may come along?)

especially given that the player in question is so feared by you all and you have chips at this point to make the play??

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Implied odds are not there when villain's stack is so short.

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if the sb and/or bb come along then they are, no?

also, is sirio that consistent with his play that he will ONLY make this play with large PPs that kill your 88? is he not ever going to make this play with AK/AQ?

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SB and BB coming along is a possibility. SB and BB REraising is a possibility (sandwich time). SB and BB folding is a possibility. Fold 88 here against a semi-pro player with 10bb's in his stack, doing less than shoving from EP. You can pretty much narrow his range to JJ+. I think KK+ is more likely and AA is most likely.

[BPA234]

No difference in scenario 1. Sirio will still be shoving any flop.

Scenario 2 offers the incentive for ANSKY to push or call for the all the typical reasons pot odds, button raisning any 2 etc. Also, gives him the opportunity to call and push any flop with the slim possibility that he could get a fold out of Sirio.

[bgoalie35]

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why is a call not considered? with a UTG+1 raise to 3x, a flat call encourages the SB/BB to partake as well, does it not? If either/both the SB/BB come in as well, then wouldn't you want to play your 88 for set value? would you not take the rest of his chips with a flopped set (and possibly making the call correct w/implied odds assuming another player may come along?)

especially given that the player in question is so feared by you all and you have chips at this point to make the play??

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Implied odds are not there when villain's stack is so short.

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if the sb and/or bb come along then they are, no?

also, is sirio that consistent with his play that he will ONLY make this play with large PPs that kill your 88? is he not ever going to make this play with AK/AQ?

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Again, your implied odds play only works if someone else with a big enough stack calls. If someone else raises, or no one else comes along, then this does not work.

Even if sirio would do this with AQ or AK, which most people seem to doubt, you are a 2:1 dog to a range of AQ+, TT+. Now you are calling a bet where you are only getting 1.5:1 odds IF everyone else folds.

There is a ton of risk, and very little reward.