the "you win" rule

[foxw00ds player]

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In a 1/2 game about a week ago: I raised preflop, got one caller, bet out on the flop and turn, he calls both bets (I was in the BB and he limped on the button) Finally I gave up on the river when it read Q T 4 9 K and I had A5 suited in spades. I said you win, couldn't imagine what he could call all my bets with that wouldn't beat A high with no kicker. Just prior to flinging my cards into the air flying towards the muck he tabled J7 of diamonds (one diamond on the whole board, one on the flop) and said "Thought I might make a hand", I just smiled and still folded my hand, first time in my life I have ever intentionally folded a winner but felt obligated to do so. Am 99% sure that in this room if I had shown down I still would have been awarded the pot.

Jimbo

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Huh. Didn't he have a straight?

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[fishyak]

Hawaiian Gardens has a big sign: "The 'you win' rule is no longer in effect." up on the wall. No one seems to have a clue what it means.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Hawaiian Gardens has a big sign: "The 'you win' rule is no longer in effect." up on the wall. No one seems to have a clue what it means.

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cept me of course (see post above) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[One Outer]

I don't think I have ever actually seen this enforced but I know it's technically on the books in my room.

Honestly, I don't show my hand unless I absolutely have to. I don't want to give away information if my opponent is going to muck his hand rather than show it.

[Diana Ross Fan]

I had this happen to me last month. I had been bluffing on all 3 streets. When my opponent called the river I said "You win" and tabled my Q high face up. He immediately claimed the pot and said that he did not have to show his hand. I did not believe him and invoked IWTSTH. So he is right?

[psandman]

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I had this happen to me last month. I had been bluffing on all 3 streets. When my opponent called the river I said "You win" and tabled my Q high face up. He immediately claimed the pot and said that he did not have to show his hand. I did not believe him and invoked IWTSTH. So he is right?

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I don't believe so. The point of the rule is to protect the player who mucks his hand based on your concession, not to allow a player who sees your hand and knows he has a loser to win the pot.

[AngusThermopyle]

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I had this happen to me last month. I had been bluffing on all 3 streets. When my opponent called the river I said "You win" and tabled my Q high face up. He immediately claimed the pot and said that he did not have to show his hand. I did not believe him and invoked IWTSTH. So he is right?

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No. At that point you had tabled your hand and he still had possession of his. He has to show the best hand to claim the pot.

[Poshua]

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I had this happen to me last month. I had been bluffing on all 3 streets. When my opponent called the river I said "You win" and tabled my Q high face up. He immediately claimed the pot and said that he did not have to show his hand. I did not believe him and invoked IWTSTH. So he is right?

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I don't think you're even really invoking IWTSTH by asking to see his hand here. You're insisting that his hand be tabled at showdown if he wishes to claim the pot.

Also, villain is a douchebag and deserves a KITN for this.

[AlienBoy]

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I don't think I have ever actually seen this enforced but I know it's technically on the books in my room.


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I saw it enforced once at Commerce 9/16 against this angle shooting punk that did this incessantly.


AB

[PlzHelpMe]

I saw this enforced at the bike 5/10NL game when someone checked behind on the river and said you win tabling his missed nut flush draw. The other guy had a lower flush draw and asked for the pot even after showing his hand. THe floor gave the pot to the guy with the worst hand. I've also seen the rule not enforced.