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#21
11-02-2007, 05:20 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
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Ok, the let me get this right...our villain 3 bets light frequently we call with TT and the flop is JJJ. We call and the turn peels a queen, how is folding standard? Why isn't he double barreling light again? [/ QUOTE ] If the villain and hero have been very aggressive towards eachother, I'd err towards folding the turn (especially if villain knows Zeebo theorem). It's low enough stakes that I wouldn't worry about him 2 barreling without a hand that beats us. 
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#22
11-02-2007, 05:35 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
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If the villain and hero have been very aggressive towards eachother, I'd err towards folding the turn (especially if villain knows Zeebo theorem). It's low enough stakes that I wouldn't worry about him 2 barreling without a hand that beats us. [/ QUOTE ] Not to be results oriented, but I just reread this post and his coach just said that they had a pure bluff - A8. I guess it is a fold given the turn card, but what if it peels off an 8 or 9? And also, should we be raising this flop?
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#23
11-02-2007, 05:36 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
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[ QUOTE ] If the villain and hero have been very aggressive towards eachother, I'd err towards folding the turn (especially if villain knows Zeebo theorem). It's low enough stakes that I wouldn't worry about him 2 barreling without a hand that beats us. [/ QUOTE ] Not to be results oriented, but I just reread this post and his coach just said that they had a pure bluff - A8. I mean is this really always a fold? [/ QUOTE ] This is a bluff about 1 in 20 times.. pretty much no one has the balls to double barrel in a 3-bet pot.
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#24
11-02-2007, 06:03 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
I would probably shove these hands on the flop or fold preflop. Think of the one pair hands as 5-out semibluffs. Just calling one street hoping that an aggro villain doesn't fire again isn't great poker. The TT hand is the only one reasonably played, but I shove the flop.
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#26
11-02-2007, 11:10 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
if you think he is 3betting light, shove the flop whenever you hit anything. you will find they fold ALOT of the time, and when they call you have 5+ outs.
also if you think he is 3betting light, you can 4bet TT for value
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#27
11-02-2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
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1 fold pf. If you're not going to, four bet. If you're not going to, I'm not sure what you're looking for in terms of a 'favorable flop' to make moves on but FYI - This is it. You need to raise this flop. Hand 2 - I'd find a way to felt this every single time against this guy on this board.
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#28
11-02-2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
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[ QUOTE ] If the villain and hero have been very aggressive towards eachother, I'd err towards folding the turn (especially if villain knows Zeebo theorem). It's low enough stakes that I wouldn't worry about him 2 barreling without a hand that beats us. [/ QUOTE ] Not to be results oriented, but I just reread this post and his coach just said that they had a pure bluff - A8. I guess it is a fold given the turn card, but what if it peels off an 8 or 9? And also, should we be raising this flop? [/ QUOTE ] If the turn is an 8 or 9 we probably give up, but the turn Q is a good card for us to make him fold TT and below.
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#29
11-02-2007, 11:15 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
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if you think he is 3betting light, shove the flop whenever you hit anything. you will find they fold ALOT of the time, and when they call you have 5+ outs. also if you think he is 3betting light, you can 4bet TT for value [/ QUOTE ] 4 betting w/ TT for value seems bad since ur only getting action from JJ+ and AK. Its not like there was crazy history here just an occasional light 3-bet in very good spots. taking a flop in position w/ a hand that definitely has villain's range beat is not a bad thing.
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#30
11-02-2007, 11:21 AM
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Re: Advice on these 3b pots
also, the first hand where OP has 64cc and we had KQ was discussed heavily while we were deciding what to do on the turn. during our sessions I basically just sweat him and if a tough spot comes up we discuss it and a good chunk of the time I'm not even watching him so I don't have a good feel for the game flow/table dynamics. for example I would have had no idea that you might have been getting frustrated w/ our 3-bets. that said what line would people take here vs. a relative unknown playing ~24/18/2?
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