4/8: Pocket 10's curse or blessing-

[BigBadBabar]

i just don't understand what niediam does when he's playing a hand of poker and it comes up and it's not 99% like an example from sshe or hepap [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

push your damn edges! especially the big ones! don't make babar angry!

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[BigBadBabar]

also i would feel so stupid not raising this flop, just to see the turn come an ace or something. get the money in while you're ahead. also on the turn anyone with a 9 would checkraise, it seems like, which is why i think the donker is full of [censored] and so i raise again

[Niediam]

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Please look at the example in SSH starting on p. 163 and explain to me how that one differs from the hand in this thread. Thanks.

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Drunk villian capping every street with 6 high. I hope you see why this fact alters the example drastically. You're welcome.

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But how many extra bets are we going to make on average by jamming the flop? If we do have 30% equity here (assuming your estimate is close and that sounds reasonable to me) we would be gaining 2 big bets.

However if not protecting our hand makes us lose an extra 20% of the time (which seems reasonable considering all the overcard out possibilities) and this pot ends up being 20+BBs (which seems extremely likely) then that would cost us 4BBs/hand right there.

[BigBadBabar]

okay babar's angry now.

this isn't a hard concept (unless i totally suck and have just, i dunno, been getting it completely wrong for 3+ years now).

who cares if people 'correctly call the flop?'

gosh this is like one of my larger pet peeves and something that i must approach differently than a lot of people. i don't know why this is seemingly so hard for a lot of people -- so here's the deal - call it the BABAR THEOREM:

build a monster [censored] pot with big hands so the times you don't get sucked out on, you [censored] ship it crucial and win lots of monies. stop trying to play 'pot control' in limit holdem so you lose smaller pots when you get sucked out on.

basically, good/best hand = bet and raise a lot. it's not hard, son.

your opponents are bad and are going to call to draw whether you give them correct odds or not.

i can't understand this unholy fascination with like 'protecting your hand' or 'facing the field with two bets cold' or whatever since it usually involves bungling a hand terribly or missing bets on every street since, as we've established, morons who play live are going to chase anyway.

so just bet and raise your damn hand already.

ugh

grr

[JJH3984]

I didn't see that original limper folded. I can't figure out how to post pokerstove results, but you have like a 40% edge if the blinds defend kind of loosley and a ~35% if they defend tightly.

Honestly if you are going to pass up a 40% or 35% edge in a four way pot, what's the point?

Edit: Also the drunk maniac is gonna keep betting so you'll be able to face the field with two bets cold anyway.

[Scary_Tiger]

Raise flop, raise turn.

[JJH3984]

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build a monster [censored] pot with big hands so the times you don't get sucked out on, you [censored] ship it crucial and win lots of monies. stop trying to play 'pot control' in limit holdem so you lose smaller pots when you get sucked out on.

basically, good/best hand = bet and raise a lot. it's not hard, son.

your opponents are bad and are going to call to draw whether you give them correct odds or not.

i can't understand this unholy fascination with like 'protecting your hand' or 'facing the field with two bets cold' or whatever since it usually involves bungling a hand terribly or missing bets on every street since, as we've established, morons who play live are going to chase anyway.

so just bet and raise your damn hand already.


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More of a rant than a therom i think, but qfmft anyway

[KitCloudkicker]

just get the damn money in the pot on the flop/turn and see the showdown. and get a lot of it in there.

this game will have high variance so be ready for a wild ride. dont chicken out and minimize your win.

[Rev. Good Will]

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okay babar's angry now.

this isn't a hard concept (unless i totally suck and have just, i dunno, been getting it completely wrong for 3+ years now).

who cares if people 'correctly call the flop?'

gosh this is like one of my larger pet peeves and something that i must approach differently than a lot of people. i don't know why this is seemingly so hard for a lot of people -- so here's the deal - call it the BABAR THEOREM:

build a monster [censored] pot with big hands so the times you don't get sucked out on, you [censored] ship it crucial and win lots of monies. stop trying to play 'pot control' in limit holdem so you lose smaller pots when you get sucked out on.

basically, good/best hand = bet and raise a lot. it's not hard, son.

your opponents are bad and are going to call to draw whether you give them correct odds or not.

i can't understand this unholy fascination with like 'protecting your hand' or 'facing the field with two bets cold' or whatever since it usually involves bungling a hand terribly or missing bets on every street since, as we've established, morons who play live are going to chase anyway.

so just bet and raise your damn hand already.

ugh

grr

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QFT

waiting for the turn vs drunk spewy people sucks ass. Though IMO waiting 1 street has it's merits, in situations like these when live players will call with almost anything, you are costing yourself a [censored]-load

[KitCloudkicker]

also lol at "pot control" notions.

when did this start coming up with hands like TT in limit games?

Babar's 100% right here