Arizona State Poker Championship - Satellites are running

[Hass]

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I'm fairly sure he meant guarantee 2nd place their money back while playing it out for first.

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yes. And I am not a tournament player, I really have no clue how to make a deal.

[DesertCat]

I was up 4-1 and late for dinner. So was my opponent. So I offered him $200. The dealer says "I don't think you can chop these". I told her not to worry. Guy says nope. I offered $250. No. I asked him what he wants, he replies no chop, that he's been playing these all day and he came to win a seat.

I think he thought he could outplay me or something. He did double up once, and then we got it all in when he had A8 and I had Q8s. He slammed the table in triumph when he saw I was dominated. We both made a straight. It took the dealer a minute to get him to understand that mine was higher. He bolted. I don't think he was too happy.

[CrazyLond]

Attempting to make a deal can be frustrating, but the ignorance of other players can be used to your advantage. I was chip leader with 5 players remaining in a tournament once and they decided to give me first place while chopping 2-5th place money. Obviously this was a great deal for me, but none of them seemed to realize or care about that. If I had been one of those stubborn people who says "no deals not matter what" I would have lost a lot of EV. When it comes to deal making time, I find a lot of players are either set in their ways so much they won't listen to a deal proposal that could potentially be beneficial to them, or they haven't much experience making deals and won't speak up if they don't think they are getting a fair deal, submitting to the wishes of the more experienced table consensus.

I just remembered another good deal I made. I was heads up with one other guy and he had a 4-1 chip advantage. He was a complete donkey, I don't even know if he was good enough to qualify as a donkey. Anyway, I figured he didn't have a lot of experience at final tables and he definately didn't seem very good at math. I asked if he wanted to chop 50/50 and he said he wanted to play heads up. I said "Why don't we split up some of it and play for the rest?" and he liked that idea. Essentially, I took some of first place money and gave it to second place. Even with a skill advantage, I figured my chip disadvantage was enough to give him a significant edge in heads up play. Funnily enough, he pushed all in the first hand and I looked down at AA. I called and he showed 26. He flopped a 2 and rivered another one to win the tournament. But I made significantly more than I would have, had I not talked him into a deal.

Sorry, this was long winded and kindof got off topic since your opponent was unwilling to make any deal. Perhaps, however, it will be of some use if you cash game players find yourselves in a position to make a tournament deal in the future.

[Howard Beale]

NEWS FLASH! READ ALL ABOUT IT!

Hell has frozen over and Howard Beale won a seat into the big August tourney on his first try!

Seriously, on my way out the door I decided that I didn't want to take mom to Denny's yet and got into a Sat at once. $110 down the drain, I figured. First hand I get 2 black Aces in the SB, get all in v. A-Jo and double up. Except for one huge suck-out card wise (though of small import chip wise) the thing was moderately easy even though I made a few smooth plays if I do say so myself.

So, ok everybody, I've got plans for the $250,000 but I'm sure second place money will be decent. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I'm sure that Hass won't mind if I mention that he (at the time of my leaving) had made the money in tonights tourney w/ enough chips to be in contention to win. He told me that he's got to play some tourneys to practice for the big one. I think I'd better do the same.

[Hass]

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NEWS FLASH! READ ALL ABOUT IT!

Hell has frozen over and Howard Beale won a seat into the big August tourney on his first try!

Seriously, on my way out the door I decided that I didn't want to take mom to Denny's yet and got into a Sat at once. $110 down the drain, I figured. First hand I get 2 black Aces in the SB, get all in v. A-Jo and double up. Except for one huge suck-out card wise (though of small import chip wise) the thing was moderately easy even though I made a few smooth plays if I do say so myself.

So, ok everybody, I've got plans for the $250,000 but I'm sure second place money will be decent. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

btw:

I'm sure that Hass won't mind if I mention that he (at the time of my leaving) had made the money in tonights tourney w/ enough chips to be in contention to win. He told me that he's got to play some tourneys to practice for the big one. I think I'd better do the same.

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Ok so I went card dead for 2 hours and was blinded away until the button open raised AI. I have A8o in the small blind and push. Of course he was trying to steal the blinds with AK and I lose. I still had 2 yellow chips but that was only enough to cover the small blind. I was lucky to be on the button so I had a few hands to try and get some chips back. I get black 9's in the CO, but the bb had aces. 7th place for $911.

I played really well actually except for one AK hand where I called in the bb and should have moved all in, I think on what is called a squeeze play. Don't know if I have that right. But whatever.

Next tues Howard and I will be going heads up for 1st.

Congrats Howard on your score. I don't know if Pope has a seat yet. If he doesn't maybe we could rig one of the satts for him to give a 2+2er the best chance of being AZ poker champ. (kidding,kidding on the rigging)

[CrazyLond]

I wonder if I know who you guys are. I go to CAZ fairly regularly, used to be more often. I play mainly 5/150, but occasionally 8/16, 20/40, 10/150 or 6/12 Omaha. I sometimes play the tournaments there also.

[Howard Beale]

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I wonder if I know who you guys are. I go to CAZ fairly regularly, used to be more often. I play mainly 5/150, but occasionally 8/16, 20/40, 10/150 or 6/12 Omaha. I sometimes play the tournaments there also.

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PM me before your next visit if you want to say hi. I'll let you know if I'll be there when you're going.

[pig4bill]

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Seriously, on my way out the door I decided that I didn't want to take mom to Denny's yet and got into a Sat at once. $110 down the drain, I figured. First hand I get 2 black Aces in the SB, get all in v. A-Jo and double up. Except for one huge suck-out card wise (though of small import chip wise) the thing was moderately easy even though I made a few smooth plays if I do say so myself.

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Getting aces on the first hand and doubling up tends to make a tournament seem moderately easy. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Howard Beale]

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Seriously, on my way out the door I decided that I didn't want to take mom to Denny's yet and got into a Sat at once. $110 down the drain, I figured. First hand I get 2 black Aces in the SB, get all in v. A-Jo and double up. Except for one huge suck-out card wise (though of small import chip wise) the thing was moderately easy even though I made a few smooth plays if I do say so myself.

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Getting aces on the first hand and doubling up tends to make a tournament seem moderately easy. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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So right. LP raises, I see the Aces, re-raise 3x his bet, he calls, flop comes all spades, I bet, he pushes (he had the J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]), I call and he goes 'Oh, no, there's no way I can win', when he sees my hand. The others comfort him by saying that 'if you're not going to win, you might as well get it over with quickly.' [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Ocho]

Do extra seats have to be sold directly to players? Or can we sell them back at the cage (i.e., return the seat for a refund)?

Thanks