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11-23-2007, 07:54 AM
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Re: Super big pot with KK and a ragged flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Lovely table. I would raise the flop. (But you might want to look at the conversion. Something is wrong with the flop action). I think a more interesting question is how to respond to a 3bet (which really hinges a lot on who treys). There really is no way to protect your hand too much in a pot this size, so value is the key. -J [/ QUOTE ] In general I'd go with easy cap for value. [/ QUOTE ] In general, I agree. But if the original flop bettor is the one who treys, I can see smoothcalling and planning on popping the turn. -J [/ QUOTE ] Because you think that will get more money in the pot, because you want to see if a 'safe' card falls, because you think people might fold to two bets on the turn, or because of something else? 
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#22
11-23-2007, 02:50 PM
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Re: Super big pot with KK and a ragged flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Lovely table. I would raise the flop. (But you might want to look at the conversion. Something is wrong with the flop action). I think a more interesting question is how to respond to a 3bet (which really hinges a lot on who treys). There really is no way to protect your hand too much in a pot this size, so value is the key. -J [/ QUOTE ] In general I'd go with easy cap for value. [/ QUOTE ] In general, I agree. But if the original flop bettor is the one who treys, I can see smoothcalling and planning on popping the turn. -J [/ QUOTE ] And Jaran, you said you will call a 3bet on the flop, and raise the turn again. Given there is so much strength shown from the original flop bettor, wont' HERO be bleeding too much if facing AA? [/ QUOTE ] If we are facing AA, then this line will cost you some money. But, given the # of people in the pot, and the fact that his range is much more than just AA, I feel that we are giving up too much by just going into our shell and seeking sd cheaply. -J
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#23
11-23-2007, 03:00 PM
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Re: Super big pot with KK and a ragged flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Lovely table. I would raise the flop. (But you might want to look at the conversion. Something is wrong with the flop action). I think a more interesting question is how to respond to a 3bet (which really hinges a lot on who treys). There really is no way to protect your hand too much in a pot this size, so value is the key. -J [/ QUOTE ] In general I'd go with easy cap for value. [/ QUOTE ] In general, I agree. But if the original flop bettor is the one who treys, I can see smoothcalling and planning on popping the turn. -J [/ QUOTE ] Because you think that will get more money in the pot, because you want to see if a 'safe' card falls, because you think people might fold to two bets on the turn, or because of something else? [/ QUOTE ] Because of the first three. If a bad card falls, we can take a more conservative line. If not, we have a better chance to protect our hand, and will get money in the pot against fd/sd who will call and we have an edge against individually. I, as always, am willing to look at other lines, and never claimed to be good at this game. -J
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