Re-Randing

[Neil S]

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hmmm, i thought i'd replied to this.

anyway, anything other than sticking with the original rand is horrible,

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why?

If a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one to hear it, etc etc

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Because even if you think it's random, it won't be.

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kokiri, if the shuffle machine spits the cards out suited and in order, was it random?

[/ QUOTE ]Inapplicable analogy.

If the dealer checks the top 5 cards of the deck and re-shuffles if he doesn't like them, then he's reducing the randomness of the process.

[kokiri]

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hmmm, i thought i'd replied to this.

anyway, anything other than sticking with the original rand is horrible,

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why?

If a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one to hear it, etc etc

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Because even if you think it's random, it won't be.

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kokiri, if the shuffle machine spits the cards out suited and in order, was it random?

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i fail to see the relevance

[ScottHoward v3.1]

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hmmm, i thought i'd replied to this.

anyway, anything other than sticking with the original rand is horrible,

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why?

If a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one to hear it, etc etc

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Because even if you think it's random, it won't be.

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kokiri, if the shuffle machine spits the cards out suited and in order, was it random?

[/ QUOTE ]Inapplicable analogy.

If the dealer checks the top 5 cards of the deck and re-shuffles if he doesn't like them, then he's reducing the randomness of the process.

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doesnt matter, the players wouldnt know

[CPFB]

Neil and I have had some shuffling discussions over the past few days.

You need to make sure that you're not introducing any bias into the shuffle. Otherwise it's not producing true randomness.

/nit

[Nicholasp27]

if players don't know, it doesn't matter tho

but cherry picking is different

[lastchance]

ZOMG you cheat is so the obvious answer here.

Deliberately reranding is awful, because the game of werewolf is based off METAGAME and (ppl being randed villagers and wolves).

[traz]

I'd say it's bad if you pick your best friends to be seer, or stuff liket hat

but if you just choose whoever vs hitting a rand button, it makes no difference

it's all in your heads

[CPFB]

You know, we get those posts saying, "You're always a wolf."

What if it's actually true due to a non-random shuffling algorithm.

[Neil S]

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if players don't know, it doesn't matter tho

but cherry picking is different

[/ QUOTE ]It matters if the human skewing the distribution is doing so for a reason that affects the game. I mean, someone who wants the game to end quickly can make me and LC wolves every single time...

[Fishmonger]

I am very against the idea of reranding.