TT oop in 3 bet pot

[Fat Nicky]

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Without reads I would not 3bet pre with TT. I might 3bet with suited connectors or small pocket pairs if I suspect he's stealing, but I can get away easily from a lot of flops with those hands. TT is trouble oop vs. unknown.

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don't mean to be a dick, but this is pretty bad thinking

[frenchfish]

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Without reads I would not 3bet pre with TT. I might 3bet with suited connectors or small pocket pairs if I suspect he's stealing, but I can get away easily from a lot of flops with those hands. TT is trouble oop vs. unknown.

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I am raising for value here TT is a good hand and way ahead of unknowns open raising button range.Actually i might consider flatcalling if i had position on vilain.

[Grandezza]

3-bet for value as said. i don't expect and unknown villain to be betting worse (not floating much either) and i dont see him calling w/ less so id check fold.

[chiTown22]

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The reason I'm willing to commit is because the SPR is only 3 after you 3bet pre. Over pair plays easily when SPR is 3, you can commit without having to think too much about it, cause often times you're profitable getting it in than making a tough/wrong laydown. Another reason is that you beat more pairs than you lose to, you beat 22, 33, 66, 88, 99 (44 and 77 not my concern cause you're beat anyway), but lose to JJ QQ KK AA but very less likely that the villain has AA KK(according to my experience, most ppl in nl100 play their AA KK very fast preflop).

Even if my reasons are wrong, you've put in 1/3 of your stack in with your over pair. After you put in 1/3 of your stack you are pretty much committed.

Thoughts? I could be wrong tho.

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What is "SPR"?

After he calls your flop bet I blieve you can no longer put all pairs in his range. I know some players will float with any pair or over cards, but this is an unknown and that is a large part of my check/fold turn reasoning.

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SPR = Stack to Pot size Ratio.

this logic is discussed in professional no limit holdem vol. 1

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I am having horrible flashes of M stats and donkaments... dude my M was 9.4, so I shoved the A2o....

Please, please tell me this is not coming to a thread near me????

[billybeartku]

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The reason I'm willing to commit is because the SPR is only 3 after you 3bet pre. Over pair plays easily when SPR is 3, you can commit without having to think too much about it, cause often times you're profitable getting it in than making a tough/wrong laydown. Another reason is that you beat more pairs than you lose to, you beat 22, 33, 66, 88, 99 (44 and 77 not my concern cause you're beat anyway), but lose to JJ QQ KK AA but very less likely that the villain has AA KK(according to my experience, most ppl in nl100 play their AA KK very fast preflop).

Even if my reasons are wrong, you've put in 1/3 of your stack in with your over pair. After you put in 1/3 of your stack you are pretty much committed.

Thoughts? I could be wrong tho.

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What is "SPR"?

After he calls your flop bet I blieve you can no longer put all pairs in his range. I know some players will float with any pair or over cards, but this is an unknown and that is a large part of my check/fold turn reasoning.

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SPR = Stack to Pot size Ratio.

this logic is discussed in professional no limit holdem vol. 1

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I am having horrible flashes of M stats and donkaments... dude my M was 9.4, so I shoved the A2o....

Please, please tell me this is not coming to a thread near me????

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I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]