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Old 06-24-2007, 08:01 PM
Isura Isura is offline
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Default Re: Still haven\'t grasped this

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I usually 4-bet them all.

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Your getting calls from 99/TT often?

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Yeah, pretty much no one folds to 4-bets against me. In the first we are opening button, and the others are also classic spots for people to 3-bet light. I prefer to call with the JJ or QQ when I open in UTG or have position.
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:11 PM
LetsHugItOut LetsHugItOut is offline
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I don't like pushing JJ or QQ without a read that he is going to be calling me light - i.e. smaller pairs. This situation does not come up too often for me, and I assume for you also (haven't played with you but gather your not a huge LAG). In the JJ hand, I think calling is way better than shoving, but I quite like a 4bet with QQ - people never fold JJ+, AQ+ to me in a situation like this so I don't want to be pushing with the bottom of that range tbh. There is absolutely no harm in seeing a flop with these hands and putting the money in there.

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So you generally CRAI rag flops in hands 2 and 3? Do you c/f Axx and Kxx flops?
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:46 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Case 1: Folds to you on the button, you have AKo, you raise to $8, SB folds, BB raises to $28?

Is it okay to just push here?

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Yup. It's certainly +EV. Whether other options are better depends on the player. If he'll stack off light post flop, you can call. Same if he usually cbets and then gives up.

If you want to 4bet smaller, it should be because either you think he'll call it really light (ie AQ/AJ/etc) or because you think it will have a lot more FE.

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Case 2: Folds to you in the SB. you have two Jacks. Same $200 effective stacks. You raise to $8, BB raises to $28, you?

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I almost always just call here unless I have reason to think he can get it in with worse pretty easily. Better hands don't fold, worse don't usually call, etc.

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Case 3: Folds to you in the CO. You have two Queens. Same $200 effective stacks. You raise to $8, 2+2 Button raises to $28, folds back to you and you?

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Same as with JJ above.
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:50 PM
The White Rabbit The White Rabbit is offline
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If you want to 4bet smaller, it should be because either you think he'll call it really light (ie AQ/AJ/etc) or because you think it will have a lot more FE.

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Or because you want to 4-bet small - bluff him sometimes (because it's generally better than bluff shoving) and you don't want your 4-bet small range to be FOS.
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:59 PM
SilentNoise SilentNoise is offline
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Default Re: Still haven\'t grasped this

shove all, people call my 4bet shoves with aq/tt+
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Old 07-03-2007, 10:46 PM
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Default Re: Still haven\'t grasped this

i just logged in to make the exact same post... what % of the time do you guys push over a solid regular's 3bets w/ Ak, QQ, JJ?
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