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Re: And if we\'re lost, we are lost together....
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[ QUOTE ] oh, and check behind river, as you beat nothing that is calling a bet. [/ QUOTE ] What about betting to bluff? [/ QUOTE ] A bluff looks more believable if you didn't raise the turn, IMO. |
#22
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Re: And if we\'re lost, we are lost together....
Kramer,
Why? He checked a 2 heart flop and raised the 3rd heart turn? |
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Re: And if we\'re lost, we are lost together....
The check on the flop with a 2 flush on a BU vs BB already doesn't look much like a FD, first of all. So given he is representing a lone heart on the river, I don't think he'd raise with it on the turn.
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Re: Results:
I'd usually bet flop, call turn, check river.
Don't think we get checkraised on that flop too often...more likely check called, which isn't such a big deal. If we do get checkraised I don't mind folding at all. |
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Re: And if we\'re lost, we are lost together....
I don't see why he couldn't check behind hands that are purely a flush draw. This board could easily hit something the BB calls with.
But assuming you're right, what hands do a check/raise on the turn look like? And how much credit are you giving this guy? If our opponent is smart enough to decide Woodguy has to bet 2 hearts on the flop, then he narrows him down to what on the turn? |
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Re: And if we\'re lost, we are lost together....
10 points for the hauntingly eloquent title.
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Re: And if we\'re lost, we are lost together....
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[ QUOTE ] How can you tell a turn bet is a bluff lead? [/ QUOTE ] It will be a bluff a certain percentage of the time, no way to really tell, but checking behind can induce a bluff against certain players, especially when I check a dangerous board like this. I check behind flops and raise turn leads both with and without hands, but usually don't check this flop (which is one of the reasons I posted it) [/ QUOTE ] I should have been more detailed in my question - isn't it WAY too early to be guessing at a bluff lead here? I agree that after sitting at the table for awhile you can, but here? I think its a tad FPS this early. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As played, I check behind on the river. [/ QUOTE ] If you are in the BB spot, which hands are you leading on the river, which are you c/c and which are you c/f? Thanks [/ QUOTE ] I'm squarely in the small ball court here unless I hold the nut flush or better. The line by both players doesn't suggest strength, so if BB is strong, he isn't likely to get paid off. I might block with a str8 - less than that, I'm check/calling or check folding. |
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Re: And if we\'re lost, we are lost together....
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I might block with a str8 - less than that, I'm check/calling or check folding. [/ QUOTE ] Which hands do you c/c and which do you c/f? |
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Actual Results
I check behind on the river and he shows T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
After the hand I thought there were legitimate questions about all streets except PF so I thought I'd post it. I still don't know what a range is that calls my turn raise and then check/folds the river, but I think its probably not wide enough to make a 1/3 pot bet profitable, but again, I'm not sure. Cocktails? |
#30
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Re: Actual Results
If we bet the flop and get c/r what do people do from there? Say we bet 160 and get c/r to 440 or so which is reasonable, I really think continuing sucks.
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