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Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
I never know what to do in this kind of spot (the turn). I usually like check/calling, but have been advised that betting again is much better against a good opponent. Thoughts on both turn and river appreciated. Sorry for the mess but converter's down.
***** Hand History for Game 5192163533 ***** $600 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 17, 18:00:31 ET 2006 Table Monster #1277198 (No DP) (Real Money) Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 6: cts ( $2664.49 ) Seat 3: LeRequin_ ( $847.05 ) Seat 2: jasonmathis ( $186.49 ) Seat 1: julick1 ( $554.06 ) Seat 5: s4508 ( $614.75 ) Seat 4: U2PLAY ( $304.67 ) julick1 posts small blind [$3]. jasonmathis posts big blind [$6]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to LeRequin_ [ Jc Tc ] LeRequin_ raises [$24]. U2PLAY folds. cts calls [$24]. julick1 folds. jasonmathis folds. ** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 2h, Jd ] LeRequin_ bets [$45]. cts calls [$45]. ** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ] LeRequin_ checks. cts bets [$126]. LeRequin_ calls [$126]. ** Dealing River ** [ 2s ] LeRequin_ checks. cts bets [$386]. LeRequin_? edited for his SN even though I'm sure everyone knows it... |
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Re: Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
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I never know what to do in this kind of spot (the turn). I usually like check/calling, but have been advised that betting again is much better against a good opponent. [/ QUOTE ]fire that person as your poker advisor. as for the river, v obv fold on paper, ESP since the rier was the 2s.... sure he could have like T8o or 33 but that doesnt mean u have to call. |
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Re: Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
i bet the turn like 70% of the time. the way you got to the river, a fold is in order.
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i bet the turn like 70% of the time. the way you got to the river, a fold is in order. [/ QUOTE ]could describe an alternate scenario in which u would call the river bet? |
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Re: Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
I thought "what about c/r turn?" but quickly realized that was terrible.
I think I prefer betting the turn again here, because check/calling the turn lets an aggressive opponent manhandle you, and your hand really isnt strong enough to deal with that kind of pressure. I don't think you'll be bluffraised here often on the turn, and if you are raised you can easily assess how good your odds are and make a decision from there. however, only clubs are clean outs, and not the boardpairing ones either. It doesn't help that your hand is face up on the river, but you have to fold it. |
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Re: Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
is his hand really face up? the flop was pretty dry so couldn't he be slowplaying AA or something? especially if cts is vbetting light
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Re: Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
anyone like an open push on the river?
i was leaning towards a call but i don't really know, he could he could be vbetting 66,22,QJ,AQ and i have no idea how much he floats/bluffs. I like c/cing turn as well but would be interesting why betting is better against good oppoents. |
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Re: Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
I think this really depends on how cts has been playing preflop. If he has been 3betting a lot then I would be more inclined to call this river because of the nature of his 3bet range (presumable, i dont really have any idea i guess) includes a lot of paint and I think if he has been pretty active pf 3betting etc then this is a pretty easy call.
OTOH you are playing your hand faceup against a good opponent which is not good and I think that you are going to have a hard time showing too much of a profit with this river call. I think these are reasons, like you said, why betting the turn is better than c/c. Given the nature of the board though and the fact that cts is playing lower here than usual (though he still plays good for the most part) I think I would make this call bc hes gotta be a little more likely to get out of line. |
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Re: Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
He was calling me a decent amount in position, not out of line but noticably often. I also saw him showdown once that session when he just called my UTG raise with AK on the button. Also I didn't feel like he was 3-betting me light at all, so I guess I'd say he was relatively passive preflop.
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Re: Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value
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He was calling me a decent amount in position, not out of line but noticably often. I also saw him showdown once that session when he just called my UTG raise with AK on the button. Also I didn't feel like he was 3-betting me light at all, so I guess I'd say he was relatively passive preflop. [/ QUOTE ] I amend my decision to a fold then. |
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