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Old 11-26-2007, 11:33 AM
Eagles Eagles is offline
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Default Re: Macau 15k Hand

Todd,
Bluffing to fold out a higher flush seems a bit crazy
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:45 AM
Todd Terry Todd Terry is offline
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Todd,
Bluffing to fold out a higher flush seems a bit crazy

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We're never going to survive, unless we get a little bit crazy.

I said I didn't like it, but don't hate it either. The reasons I don't hate it is it's live, it's a big buy-in event, you have a recreational player, he can convince himself to fold if his tournament life is on the line, we could easily show up with QJ or 44 here given our line, our image is tight.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:19 AM
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i think live a smaller bet on the river is much better....


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This is probably true. Live poker is so weird.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:42 AM
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One last thought before i talk about results: At first i thought betting smaller on previous streets might be good here, but then i realized i don't think we have that discussion if board doesn't pair the river and puts us in a gross spot. That is, if river hits 9d, he checks, i jam, i'm pretty sure everyone thinks the hand is standard.

Results:

I jam river, HJ beats me into the pot and flips up As2s. My soul got owned.
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:21 PM
rbenuck4 rbenuck4 is offline
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Given your description of villain, I think the river might be a check. His comment during his KK hand of "I would've had to call you on the river" makes me think that he has a tough time getting away from big hands.

It seems to me like his range includes a non nut flush, nut flush, AQ, KQ, QJ, K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10, A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J, 44. Of these, it seems like the only hand that calls a push on the river that you beat is possibly A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J and possibly AQ. I guess I'm not really sure whether your play on the river is a bluff or a thin value bet.

Do you think you can get him to lay down a better flush, and do you think you can get him to lay down the nut flush?

Or is my thinking wrong, and the real question that I should be asking is how much can we get AQ or AJ to call on the river?

Help me out here.
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:34 PM
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I play the same if I call pre
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:28 PM
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I bet about 11-1200 on the flop, 2300ish on the turn and prolly 3k on the river... I almost always prefer to keep the pot smaller than you did here
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:28 PM
WarDekar WarDekar is offline
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I swear I put in a reply here last night, but I'm with Eagles on this I don't see him ever calling with a hand you beat here and he could definitely have a higher flush or even boat now based on description, so I think you need to check behind.

If we're deeper, bet/fold.
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