What is your UTG hand range?

[jessyj07]

yeah, all UTG stats.

[whyherro]

I think the more interesting question is to what hands people open their range with on the button, since if you are going to be stealing 20-30% or so of the time you've got quite the selection.

[Spanky1974]

75K hands and pretty much only AA-22 AK-AJ and KQ. AJ and AJs show a small loss though. UTG BB Won/Hand is .13 at $10NL and $25NL.

Usualy ATs+, AJ, 22+, KQs for 6max. I do mix in medium and small suited connectors and 1 gappers. Over the last 100k hands I have mixed results. Everything depends a lot about the table dynamics IMO. On some tables you get away with raising SCs UTG and betting your draws etc on other tables you don`t.

[bluffbetter]

[ QUOTE ]
I've played like ... 50k hands since then, and I was moderately more profitable from UTG, though not by a lot or anything, the last time I checked. (I've since deleted a large majority of those hands. Don't ask.)

I also run fairly looser than a lot of 2p2ers, about 21/18, and am trying to get looser (~25/21) like 2p2 sLAG Fiksdal.

My looseness comes from CO and MP though (obv everyone's loose on the button), not UTG. I'm not afraid of playing dominated hands, and off my head I can only remember once or twice actually losing a substantial pot because my kicker was dominated. The SCs are my biggest winners of the bunch I added, though.

[/ QUOTE ]When you say you're not afraid of playing dominated hands, do you mean you call raises with AJ. So if UTG raises, there's 1 caller and you are button with AJ, you call or even reraise?

[bozzer]

ok I don't want to dilute the general adivce in this thread, which is to drop the suited connectors UTG.

some food for thought: I've run 26/20 for 30k hands at 25 and 50nl, raising suited connectors and one gappers (I treat them the same) 45s-QJs in the first two positions about 50% of the time according to PT, to give a total of 309 hands for -0.15 big blinds/hand.

Obviously sample size is an issue here, but I would imagine that your 'true' winrate with a single type of hands in a certain position will converge much more quickly than overall WR (e.g. you should be about work out that 93o UTG is not going to be profitable fairly quickly).

A couple of notes:

The most striking thing about my SC stats in EP is that my W$SF is very low - 36% - compared to an overall value of 50-55% in the first two positions. I don't know whether I'm not playing them hard enough, or whether there's some sort of bunching type effect going on (where if I open with a poor hand UTG it is more likely someone has a good hand).

Secondly, I do win with SCs in EP+blinds at about +0.15BB/hand. Sample size, well timed 3bets, cheap completions, who knows?

Thirdly, I think there was some thread where all the HSNL players discovered they were losing with their SCs in EP. A lot of them then argued this was fine because it got them action on their strong EP hands. The validity of this argument is very questionable in uNL. I do think the EP raise gets respect, but people are very unlikely to change their hand ranges in response to you unless it's very dramatic.


Anyway, FWIW, here's my graph:




I'd be very interested to see other people's results with SCs in EP, however often you play them.

[Shoe Lace]

I usually fold SCs from EP. If however I'm at a table where I'm completely running it over, I'll be more inclined to raise it up (if I'm confident someone won't 3bet me).

Only because when a weird flop comes out and I hit it fairly hard...like 56A with 56, I'm likely to get payed off big by someone with AT. Especially so if the flop is 55A instead.

If people are playing big pots with you fairly light because they think you have nothing, this is exactly the time you want to mangle them with trips or 2 pair on a semi-safe board.

I think if you constantly raise SCs from EP then you're going to be doing a lot of check/folding on the flop.

[C4LL4W4Y]

Grunch...4x bb, all the time, AJ+, 22+, KQs at a standard uNL table. If it's playing weak/tight, I'll open it up to QJs, JTs, 89s, KQ, KJs and a few others.

[Triggerle]

I used to experiment with opening with a lot of stuff in EP: any suited ace, sc, K9+ etc.

I mainly did this in order to force me to gain post-flop experience in sticky situations. This worked out great for me as I became much more confident in my post-flop play in all positions (if you know how it feels to have TPnK OOP then you know what your opponent could feel if he has a hand like this when you are in position).

A side effect of this strategy was that I got much more action on my good hands regardless of position. I would never have believed how much of a difference this can make even at NL25.

FWIW, I stopped this pretty much during a phase of getting coolered/sucked out on for 3 weeks straight. I now notice that they have stopped giving my big hands action. My current plan is to pick up my agressive pre-flop plan again after I get my confidence back up.

[C4LL4W4Y]

You don't need to get wild in EP to get action on your big hands at 25 or 50NL.