AK 3bet - standard fold?

[traz]

raise more preflop. I probably shove the flop, but I think it's alot closer than some of you are making it.

[monkeymaps]

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Am I the only one who has a problem with the preflop 3bet size? I think you're welcoming way too much action. As for flop if you're not getting it all-in on this flop you shouldn't have cbet the flop.

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I agree that 3 bet prob should be bigger.
Why are we not c-betting this flop?
alot of the time villan is folding like 22-TT to our cbet.
I see what your saying though but once we get raised on the flop it changes villans range drasticly.

[HoldEmNewby]

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Am I the only one who has a problem with the preflop 3bet size? I think you're welcoming way too much action. As for flop if you're not getting it all-in on this flop you shouldn't have cbet the flop.

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I agree that 3 bet prob should be bigger.
Why are we not c-betting this flop?
alot of the time villan is folding like 22-TT to our cbet.
I see what your saying though but once we get raised on the flop it changes villans range drasticly.

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I'm not against cbetting this flop, but if i do i'm getting it all-in. I'm not b/f.

[monkeymaps]

agree mostly stack sizes are kind of akward here. larger 3 bet def getting it in here on the flop. I prob never fold this in the moment but I think its close.

[Waingro]

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Triggerle, should hero have bet pot on the flop?


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I don't know it was just a hunch I had. I think if we bet pot we reduce the possibility of a bluff (strangely, people for some reason find the need to bluff a lot in 3bet pots).


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I don´t get it, what possible good does it do to stop villain from bluffing? Bet size is just right and shove it in on top of his raise. Bet/folding this flop sucks donkey balls.

[Snafu'd]

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Am I the only one who has a problem with the preflop 3bet size? I think you're welcoming way too much action. As for flop if you're not getting it all-in on this flop you shouldn't have cbet the flop.

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I agree, more needs to go in preflop. I never 3 bet just the pot size when I'm in the blinds. I'll always make it an extra 2bb's on top of the pot sized raise and sometimes more than that depending on the number of opponents.

[Panic__NL]

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Why are we not c-betting this flop?
alot of the time villan is folding like 22-TT to our cbet.
I see what your saying though but once we get raised on the flop it changes villans range drasticly.

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Why would we want villian to fold a hand that we beat and that is drawing to two outs?

[monkeymaps]

cause we dont always have TP when we c-bet I dont think checking this really gets any extra value from small PP's.

this is a pretty standard spot no? BTN raises we 3 bet with AK(small) and get called (pretty wide range PPs some SC's AK AQ maybe KQ KJ JT)
and we bet flop with tptk I dont really get checking flop?

[Panic__NL]

I agree cbetting is not bad here, cause we will do the same when we did not hit, but I was suprised by this sentence:
"alot of the time villan is folding like 22-TT to our cbet"

why would we want that.

[monkeymaps]

maybe not the best phrasing on my part just meant cbet takes this pot down pretty often.