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Old 07-20-2007, 12:53 PM
Montezuma21 Montezuma21 is offline
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Default Re: 200NL: step-by-step with KQo

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I think you have to bet here, but you're not really repping anything by just calling the flop.. I mean, what do you play like this?

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i would probably play KT-JT like this. is this spew?
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: step-by-step with KQo

Okay, yeah, you're right. I guess I just don't call pre with those hands.. but it's okay, people play preflop differently.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: step-by-step with KQo

If you 3 bet flop and villain repops or pushes its likely your waaay behind already to a set (unlikely) or overpair. If this is the case then your outs are definately not all clean.
I think best line is floating and seeing the turn.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: step-by-step with KQo

On the flop, I'd raise.

As played against this villain, I bet to take it down because he obviously has given up on the pot.

Against an aggressive-more-creative villain, I'd check behind.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: step-by-step with KQo

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If you 3 bet flop and villain repops or pushes its likely your waaay behind already to a set (unlikely) or overpair. If this is the case then your outs are definately not all clean.
I think best line is floating and seeing the turn.

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What are you talking about? Of course we're way behind if villain pushes, we have king high! We raise to fold out his air hands or to get him to slow down with top pair.. not to get allin here.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: step-by-step with KQo

This whole thread is pointless without more information on the villain.

Preflop I would 3bet if villain opened a bit too loosely from EP and folded often to my 3bets (plenty of regs fit this bill). Calling is okay too. I don't think KQo is very far ahead of his range really though when he's 13% PFR and opens from up front.

On the flop, it depends on the villain again. I strongly disagree that most multitabling regs won't fire 2 shells often. If he's a double barreler, bluff raising the flop is better. If he's a one and done kinda guy, then obv float him. If he's pretty nitty and straightforward, probably just folding isn't bad.
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Old 07-20-2007, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: step-by-step with KQo

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yeah but if you float too often he's going to double barrel/check raise/snap you off some too. Adjust and readjust etc. Thats why I can't rlly say how often I raise call/fold I have no idea.

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Then don't float so much!?

Players that get into trouble are the ones who float EVERY [censored] flop, rather than just ones like this one where we have some equity (actually this one has more equity than I usually need, but still).

Also:

If you call here and hit a K on the turn, you probably have the best hand.

If you raise here, and he calls, and you hit a K, you are probably getting stacked.
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Old 07-20-2007, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: step-by-step with KQo

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I think you have to bet here, but you're not really repping anything by just calling the flop.. I mean, what do you play like this? I bet 28 just out of principle, but the 2c didn't change anything so you're only getting him to fold air. I guess it depends on villain's cbet percentage whether or not I bet here.

If we would've raised the flop this would be an easy check behind fwiw.

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On such a dry flop, I could easily have a set or 2 pair here.

Also, I'd probably bet any T for value in this spot.
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