6.50 KK early...can I fold???please???

[IcemanDan]

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So I take your advice: one player limps in EP, folds to me on the button, I raise to t200 with KK. Let's say a limper calls with 55, flops a set, and stacks me. The limper called t160 more to win the t1300 i had left, meaning he got 8.125-1 odds on his call, which is just about profitable for him.

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If he does flop a set, you'll still catch a king almost 10% on turn or river. Plus you'll both flop a set occasionally. Plus you'll flop a 3-4 flush that comes in vs. his set occasionally. So even though he's 7.5:1 for flopping a set, to actually win the hand vs. an overpair is more likely closer to 10:1. And that's not the whole picture - those times he does lose he's losing his T1500 stack which means he needs much greater implied odds than 10:1 to profitably call.

Edit - btw this is all talked about in NLHETAP.

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Whaaat? So you won't call a raise with a low pocket pair in a cash game unless you're getting BETTER than 10-1 implied odds?

Edit: obviously there are other factors involved like position, tendencies of opponent, but those would all seem to make you want even better odds on the call.

[sixfour]

Limp-minraises always worry me. Except when I have KK, pooooosh!

[Genetix]

Try not to see demons and monsters in every big raise. AA,KK,AK are all in his range but so is a load of other junk I expect. I really wouldnt be surprised to be shown JJ here. Get em in - ALWAYS. NEVER FOLD KK TO A RERAISAE IT IS A HUGE LEAK.

[J-P]

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Why are people having problems with the raise?

[hantori]

10bb's? Where do you want to start....

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10bb's? Where do you want to start....

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I think it's good at this level. I wouldn't raise much less.

[Wolverine]

OP sounds pretty desperate to fold judging by the title.