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Old 11-03-2007, 08:50 PM
Ray Zee Ray Zee is offline
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its called holding out. and has been done for centuries and still happens alot in games where the cards are not counted down regularly and people dont pay attention to subtle things.
a good hold out will not be seen and wont get caught unless something unusual happens to him. even if you are staring at his hands.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:53 PM
ibluffoldladies ibluffoldladies is offline
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its called holding out. and has been done for centuries and still happens alot in games where the cards are not counted down regularly and people dont pay attention to subtle things.
a good hold out will not be seen and wont get caught unless something unusual happens to him. even if you are staring at his hands.

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exactly my point. What kind of retarded casino would have deck counts on a regular schedule when you know damn well this scam has been going on since the dawn of poker? You have to be involved right?
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:12 AM
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is this the same hassan from pokerstars?
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:36 AM
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Using a Kepplinger Holdout to accomplish this, obviously
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:19 PM
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Using a Kepplinger Holdout to accomplish this, obviously

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looks modern
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:29 PM
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yeah I'm about 20-30k € down against hassan...

like 6 months ago a friend told me that he knows what hassan is doing but he couldn't prove it or actually saw it.

Hassan didn't put the cards up his sleeve, he just held them under his hands or arm.

cheating scumbag :/
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:39 PM
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I don't get how he got the cards (the dealer cards...not his cheats) back into the deck. To take their dealer's cards...and to switch them with your own and then switch the dealer's cards back...

Jedi.
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:27 PM
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is this the same hassan from pokerstars?

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no, he`s not.

i played with this guy a lot (prob like ~50 sessions) and he must have been very good at cheating. I was not suspicious at all. i really liked to have him at my table.
for me he was a hyper-agressive player who ran over nits. also he had a strategy that i thought worked very well for him:
early in the session with 50-100BB he stacked off super light and showed big bluffs. Later when stacks got deeper (500+ BB) he got way too much action and always had the goods when money went in.


also cheating was super easy:
i played only him in hamburg and back then only one deck was used a whole night unless a card was marked or something.

then one day a dealer forgot to take out one of the joker cards after a deck change and play went on for half an hour until a player was dealt the joker.
from then on each dealer had their own deck and presented it whenever he got to a new table. this must have made cheating a lot harder cause he played more and more in bad zwischenahn.

intellipoker has nothing to do with this guy except for the fact that we were cheated by him.
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