Toughest hand I've had in a long time. Ass end of straight 200BB deep

[Eihli]

ok so apparently this hand is super [censored] standard. Should I be worried if after 3000 posts, and 3 years of playing, and over 500k hands in pokertracker, I still don't know how to play this hand? Shouldn't I be concerned?

[PBJaxx]

I am sorry to be another to say it, but this is REALLY bad. I probably raise the flop, but I don't hate the call. PLEASE shove the turn.

[Lucky]

raise flop for sure.

As for turn, I get it all in quick for 100bb. For 200bb, I dont hate the fold. Here's why: This guy looks solid. Looks like he either has the 16 KQ combos or one of the 11 combos of a set/AsJs/AsKs. The fact that the c/r takes place on turn puts more weight on the straight.

So it seems super nitty, but I dont hate a turn fold 200bb deep.

[Perseus]

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raise flop for sure.

As for turn, I get it all in quick for 100bb. For 200bb, I dont hate the fold. Here's why: This guy looks solid. Looks like he either has the 16 KQ combos or one of the 11 combos of a set/AsJs/AsKs. The fact that the c/r takes place on turn puts more weight on the straight.

So it seems super nitty, but I dont hate a turn fold 200bb deep.

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Sure if you don't like to make money in the long run this is not so bad.

If you do like money, it's really bad.

[Teetster]

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this is a really bad fold

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See above. If he has KQ more power to him, but 90% of the time, you stack him here.

[Lucky]

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raise flop for sure.

As for turn, I get it all in quick for 100bb. For 200bb, I dont hate the fold. Here's why: This guy looks solid. Looks like he either has the 16 KQ combos or one of the 11 combos of a set/AsJs/AsKs. The fact that the c/r takes place on turn puts more weight on the straight.

So it seems super nitty, but I dont hate a turn fold 200bb deep.

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Sure if you don't like to make money in the long run this is not so bad.

If you do like money, it's really bad.

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What range do you put villain based on turn action?

[w33ktight]

he could have 99, TT, JJ, JT, AQs, AKs (among other combo draws that I don't want to list, QJs, etc)

how could you possibly fold here, knowing that it's pretty reasonable for him to play all of these hands this way? (you didn't raise the flop, he could think you are floating him and that his draw has lots of FE or perhaps even he has the best hand with QQ!)

[jk3a]

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Wow this is an insanely easy shove. Also, not raising flop is pretty bad.

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[terp]

this is a really bad fold. you got cute on the flop and get a beautiful brick turn and you folded!?

[JReezy]

shove, i put him on a set or overpair here