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10-20-2006, 02:07 AM
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One is cream and the other is a means of communcation, free speech, and fair competiton. [/ QUOTE ] The only difference I see is that one is a product and the other is a service, but that in no way means that therefore the service provider must be forced to cater to your whims. [ QUOTE ] Telcos have no right to selectively throttle bandwidth based on what data the packets contain. [/ QUOTE ] You are essentially saying they have no right to run their business the way they want and that they must be forced to run it the way you want. You want price controls. Price ceilings to be precise. Read up on the effects of price ceilings and see if you still think this is a good idea. 
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10-20-2006, 02:19 AM
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[ QUOTE ] Telcos have no right to selectively throttle bandwidth based on what data the packets contain. [/ QUOTE ] You are essentially saying they have no right to run their business the way they want and that they must be forced to run it the way you want. You want price controls. Price ceilings to be precise. Read up on the effects of price ceilings and see if you still think this is a good idea. [/ QUOTE ] I oppose dividing the internet into an express lane and brick rode with potholes so that only the biggest players have control over the future of the internet. They can charge as much as they want for their bandwidth.
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10-20-2006, 02:25 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Telcos have no right to selectively throttle bandwidth based on what data the packets contain. [/ QUOTE ] You are essentially saying they have no right to run their business the way they want and that they must be forced to run it the way you want. You want price controls. Price ceilings to be precise. Read up on the effects of price ceilings and see if you still think this is a good idea. [/ QUOTE ] I oppose dividing the internet into an express lane and brick rode with potholes so that only the biggest players have control over the future of the internet. They can charge as much as they want for their bandwidth. [/ QUOTE ] Do you think that saying the same thing in a different way makes it different? You don't want these companies to be able to run their business the way they see fit. Just admit it.
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10-20-2006, 02:31 AM
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You don't want these companies to be able to run their business the way they see fit. Just admit it. [/ QUOTE ] Of course I don't want the telcos to run their business the way they see fit. If I thought they could do whatever they pleased, free speech be damned, I wouldn't support net neutrality. I didn't mean to avoid answering this, just thought it was obivous.
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10-20-2006, 02:33 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Telcos have no right to selectively throttle bandwidth based on what data the packets contain. [/ QUOTE ] You are essentially saying they have no right to run their business the way they want and that they must be forced to run it the way you want. You want price controls. Price ceilings to be precise. Read up on the effects of price ceilings and see if you still think this is a good idea. [/ QUOTE ] I oppose dividing the internet into an express lane and brick rode with potholes so that only the biggest players have control over the future of the internet. They can charge as much as they want for their bandwidth. [/ QUOTE ] Do you think that saying the same thing in a different way makes it different? You don't want these companies to be able to run their business the way they see fit. Just admit it. [/ QUOTE ] Actually this is a quite different concept than price controls or price ceilings, which should be obvious.
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10-20-2006, 02:40 AM
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If I thought they could do whatever they pleased, free speech be damned, I wouldn't support net neutrality. [/ QUOTE ] This isn't a free speech issue unless you believe that free speech gives you some sort of right to demand that others provide a forum for your speech.
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10-20-2006, 03:33 AM
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If tomorrow the owner of the pipe for all ISPs in your area made it so the only news website you could access is foxnews.com, would you be fine with that? [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't like it, but I have no right to force them to provide what I want any more than you have a right to force your barber to cut your hair.
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10-20-2006, 06:44 AM
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[ QUOTE ] If tomorrow the owner of the pipe for all ISPs in your area made it so the only news website you could access is foxnews.com, would you be fine with that? [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't like it, but I have no right to force them to provide what I want any more than you have a right to force your barber to cut your hair. [/ QUOTE ]It doesn't matter if you have the right to act in your own self-interest or not, you will act in your self-interest. You may think that net neutrality isn't in your best interest, and that is fine. But to confuse the isssue with forcing a barber to cut your hair is a strecth. It may make sense to make the arguement that the landscape of the internet has changed from text based to video based and net neutrality is no longer feasible or fair. However, A company certainly has the right to leave the internet if they don't want to agree to net neutrality terms. Not everyone wants to play by your lack of rules. Unless of course you somehow think that the terms of net nuetrality are not voluntary, in that case ACist theory has a much bigger hole. No one is forcing anyone to be on the internet. Anyone is free to go ahead and create a pipe that leads from nowhere to noplace, and charge what ever they want. You may ask why is this net neutrality better? Net neutrality forces free market competition. It gives consumers the choice on what products they wish to utilize, as opposed to giving interent providers the choice. If I want to use my google provided internet to purcahse from microsoft, well that's my right. Net neutrality is the epitome of all the ideas you have be touting on the internet for years now. Individual liberty, and free markets. The exception being that it is only limited government and not no government.
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10-20-2006, 08:47 AM
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Bleh, you know what I meant for purpose of the analogy was the cream companies own the big ice cream companies [/ QUOTE ] So how does this relate to the actual issue? AT&T is going to buy some little google competitor and then shut google out of their network? That sounds like a pretty dumb move, if they want to make it I say let em. [ QUOTE ] One is cream and the other is a means of communcation, free speech, and fair competiton. [/ QUOTE ] So? Wouldn't you say food is more important that communication? [ QUOTE ] Telcos have no right to selectively throttle bandwidth based on what data the packets contain. What's next, telling me I have to pay $15/month extra if I want to download porn? [/ QUOTE ] Well, if you've ever looked at pay-per-view charges, porn flicks are generally more expensive than regular movies. OH NOES!!!!
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