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#22
09-03-2007, 03:54 AM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
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How am I wrong here? [/ QUOTE ] Let me make sure I read this correctly: You are heads-up. Someone bets into you and you estimate that you are 5:1 to win the hand, but there are 8SB in the pot so you raise for value. Is this what you're saying? 
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#23
09-03-2007, 06:37 PM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
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[ QUOTE ] How am I wrong here? [/ QUOTE ] Let me make sure I read this correctly: You are heads-up. Someone bets into you and you estimate that you are 5:1 to win the hand, but there are 8SB in the pot so you raise for value. Is this what you're saying? [/ QUOTE ] I was not heads up, I was eight handed, have 2 SB in already, 20 SB in - facing a three bet. The lottery ticket and odds was a comparison...
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#24
09-03-2007, 07:15 PM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How am I wrong here? [/ QUOTE ] Let me make sure I read this correctly: You are heads-up. Someone bets into you and you estimate that you are 5:1 to win the hand, but there are 8SB in the pot so you raise for value. Is this what you're saying? [/ QUOTE ] I was not heads up, I was eight handed, have 2 SB in already, 20 SB in - facing a three bet. The lottery ticket and odds was a comparison... [/ QUOTE ] I was making up an example whole cloth to make sure that I was discussing the same principle you were talking about. There is a difference between "I raise with my 8:1 draw because 8 people will call" and "I raise with my 8:1 draw because there are 8SB in the pot". The first one is correct (with some caveats), the second is not.
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#25
09-04-2007, 03:38 AM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
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Finally, I should point out that said individual who started this post does not philosophically line up with raising or reraising simply because the odds of winning a pot with a given hand be better than the odds the pot is laying (i.e. - 5:1 to win a hand, but pot is laying 8:1 on your call). He'd call under those circumstances, whereas I propose raising more often than not because your payout is greater than odds of winning. [/ QUOTE ] I think everyone aggrees that if you are going to win the hand one out of 6 times, and you have 8 callers, that you can jam the pot preflop because of your edge. I think the part that people dissaggree with, is whether or not you will win this hand, anywhere near one of six times when you are up against 8 opponents.
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#26
09-04-2007, 05:06 AM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
Your friend is BAD. I can't believe you even posted this.
btw he is not just kinda bad he is 'setting money on fire' bad. I bet he even played it kinda crappy postflop, like slowplaying or making a bet instead of a c/r. I bet he is a total spazz. JT
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#27
09-04-2007, 05:08 AM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
Hands 2 and 8 are obviously bad at poker. Watching pokerstove run is a beautiful lesson in variance.
Though these are of course random hands, it's probably the most reasonable assessment of villains' ranges if they're going to the flop eight-handed. 70,314,353 games 318.172 secs 220,994 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 10.939% 09.96% 00.98% 7002615 688918.83 { 74s } Hand 1: 11.137% 10.07% 01.07% 7079698 751172.50 { random } Hand 2: 11.127% 10.06% 01.07% 7072423 751204.08 { random } Hand 3: 11.135% 10.07% 01.07% 7078708 750987.17 { random } Hand 4: 11.135% 10.07% 01.07% 7078622 750903.58 { random } Hand 5: 11.133% 10.06% 01.07% 7077115 751277.67 { random } Hand 6: 11.133% 10.06% 01.07% 7075732 752124.75 { random } Hand 7: 11.134% 10.07% 01.07% 7077767 751369.50 { random } Hand 8: 11.127% 10.06% 01.07% 7072233 751513.92 { random }
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#28
09-04-2007, 09:10 AM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. This is a great play!
Let me know the next time you're in town. hehehe
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#29
09-04-2007, 01:08 PM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
6bb/hour over 60 hours playing like this? You are very lucky if this is true. Luck will only get you so far in this game though. Keep playing this way and you will be very broke soon.
In case you missed the math, you're going to win the pot 1 out of 10 times, yet there are only 8 players. So putting 4 bets in preflop ($12) costs you about $2.40. This may not seem like a lot, but if you consistantly give away $2+ on hands as an "action player" like you claim, you can see how you could lose a lot of money in a hurry as soon as you stop luck boxing.
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#30
09-04-2007, 06:28 PM
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Re: 3/6 reraise with 7s 4s
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Your friend is BAD. I can't believe you even posted this. btw he is not just kinda bad he is 'setting money on fire' bad. I bet he even played it kinda crappy postflop, like slowplaying or making a bet instead of a c/r. I bet he is a total spazz. JT [/ QUOTE ] He (I) bet out. If I check, everyone behind me checks. As I said, this table is passive post flop, typically. I had a bunch of callers and a raiser, which I three bet the raiser. No slow playing here due to the passive/weak table.
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