NL600: Why cant the turn just blank and make things easy

[Yo'Maha]

IMO - If you can't b/c this, you ought not be raising preflop with small PP OOP.

Bet - Call........

[Raised2Win]

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IMO - If you can't b/c this, you ought not be raising preflop with small PP OOP.


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I really can't see the logic behind this, it doesn't really matter what set we have here, we could have KK and the situation isn't that much different. Yeah little, but still.

[SgtJake]

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because most of the time you have him beat and when you don't you have outs

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If I thought we were ahead here 50% of the time, I'd be willing to get all in on the turn, but I think we're ahead here only like 20% of the time (apparently I'm wrong). Please describe what happened in this hand to indicate to you that "most of the time we have him beat".

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being ahead 50% of the time on turn doesn't mean u are ahead 50% of the time on turn after the money goes in. I feel its disaster to get it all in on turn, u get the worst of it for sure against reasonable opponents, also there are two bigger set possibilities.

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I'm not trying to get all in here. I think we're beat 80%+ of the time by flushes and TTT. Soah said 'most of the time we have him beat'.....if I believed that we have him beat often enough, say 50% of the time, then CRAI is an acceptable line right? If he makes a reasonable sized turn bet, he commits himself to the pot with lots of worse hands like AK, KT and QJ right?

Again, I'm a loser at 3/6 after about 50,000 hands. If my thinking is off base, let me know. Still waiting for Soah to tell me what has happened in this hand to indicate to him that we have him beat most of the time. I'm not seeing it, but Soah and Renton are 100x better than me so I want to hear more detail on this.

[Renton]

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being ahead 50% of the time on turn doesn't mean u are ahead 50% of the time on turn after the money goes in. I feel its disaster to get it all in on turn, u get the worst of it for sure against reasonable opponents,

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irrelevant because the pot is so big that once they shove on our bet we'll be forced to call bc of pot odds, and paradoxically, the pot is too big to check the turn and give a freecard.

[effang]

Main villain in the hand is unknown but appears to be donkish. Can't he have some stupid AK/AA/ that's he's trying to slow play???

just because you increase in limits doesn't mean you can't be retarded.

[twoblacknines]

unless villain is really terrible, WTF is he getting all in with here that we are beating?

How can check raise all in be better than check call?

[Renton]

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Still waiting for Soah to tell me what has happened in this hand to indicate to him that we have him beat most of the time. I'm not seeing it,

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CO has a nice, wide range of KJ+, diamonds, JJ+, QJ

what isn't to get here?

[soah]

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because most of the time you have him beat and when you don't you have outs

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If I thought we were ahead here 50% of the time, I'd be willing to get all in on the turn, but I think we're ahead here only like 20% of the time (apparently I'm wrong). Please describe what happened in this hand to indicate to you that "most of the time we have him beat".

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we don't need to win the pot 50% of the time in order to get it in here

and we don't need to be ahead on the turn in order to have the best hand on the river

if we're ahead here 20% and we win 20% of the time that we're behind then we're getting roughly the right price to just get it in and see what happens

check/calling sucks because money goes in when we're behind but he can check behind worse hands. betting still gets our money in if we're behind but it also gets his money when he has a king with one diamond etc

check/folding sucks because we have a pretty good hand with a redraw

[SgtJake]

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CO has a nice, wide range of KJ+, diamonds, JJ+, QJ

what isn't to get here?

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I'm not good. Note my previous quote....

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Soah and Renton are 100x better than me.

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Ok so villains range is wide enough for us to think we're ahead a significant % of the time. Therefore we should bet the turn.

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the pot is so big that once they shove on our bet we'll be forced to call bc of pot odds, and paradoxically, the pot is too big to check the turn and give a freecard.

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My head asploded. Thanks.

[SgtJake]

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because most of the time you have him beat and when you don't you have outs

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If I thought we were ahead here 50% of the time, I'd be willing to get all in on the turn, but I think we're ahead here only like 20% of the time (apparently I'm wrong). Please describe what happened in this hand to indicate to you that "most of the time we have him beat".

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we don't need to win the pot 50% of the time in order to get it in here

and we don't need to be ahead on the turn in order to have the best hand on the river

if we're ahead here 20% and we win 20% of the time that we're behind then we're getting roughly the right price to just get it in and see what happens

check/calling sucks because money goes in when we're behind but he can check behind worse hands. betting still gets our money in if we're behind but it also gets his money when he has a king with one diamond etc

check/folding sucks because we have a pretty good hand with a redraw

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Read this 4 times. Head asploded again.

How should it be played against someone with a moderately tighter range?