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Old 11-07-2007, 07:16 PM
Clever Nickname Clever Nickname is offline
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Default Re: CTS did something like this in his video

I think a shove here can be pretty good, but it is a bit opponent specific; some players would fire again at that ace with air, some would just check/fold. That said, you have 12 squeaky clean outs here, which means (math hidden because typing it all out would suck) if he folds 33% of the time, this play is +EV, and against a 22/17's reraising range I think you can get him to fold at least that much. It's also possible that your king or queen outs may even be good, which would give you even better odds.

Now, just because a shove here is (probably) +EV, does that make it more +EV than checking behind and trying to hit something? I have no idea. But if you do get called, it will probably be great for your image.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: CTS did something like this in his video

well i mean, once you get to the turn, ya shove. floating in rr-ed pots requires deeper stacks and a decent read.

also yeah, if he can hand read at all, he should snap you. the ace changed little.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: CTS did something like this in his video

the hand in that cardrunners vid that cole played vs me is slightly similar to this but ultimately too dissimilar to really compare the two situations.

here, you have a 3-bet pot in a 6handed game - there, you had a 4-bet pot in a very aggressive HU match.

in this hand, you're probably getting called damn often. someone should do the math on the EV of the shove, but barring that, you floated the flop, now have over 10 outs and it's good for your image to splash around like this now and then.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:43 PM
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Default Re: CTS did something like this in his video

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People do float AK from time to time guys, even when they shouldn't. So if you are all instacalling with KK/QQ as villain you will see the pot shipped the other way fairly often when you add in sets and AJ.

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With the amount of retards 3betting ATC from the blinds @ NL200, I'm fine with this.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: CTS did something like this in his video

pf is fine/standard against light 3bettors.

this line is pretty good. shoving flop and folding are both viable options as well.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: CTS did something like this in his video

this is much better and pretty standard if you were the pf 3 bettor and flop aggressor, as it is you should get called a lot unless he has complete air. But if the guy is any good he should have bet the turn with air so its not looking great.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:18 PM
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Default Re: CTS did something like this in his video

Rather shove flop than float, but ya, seeing as how you got here I think a shove is +EV.
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