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Old 11-20-2007, 01:51 AM
gregorio gregorio is offline
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

First off, I think he is less likely to believe a flop of T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hits you than a flop with 2 broadways, so he is more likely to just think you are betting to cbet. That flop isn't very scarey for him in terms of your range.

Also, I think his limp/call range is something like 66-99, maybe TT, Axs, 56s, 67s, 78s, 89s, 9Ts, TJs. None of these hands are going away on the flop, and lots are c/r-ing. This range could be off. I'm more used to seeing people limp/call with VPIPs of 30-40 instead of low 20s. But I think his limp/call range is more weighted to hands like the ones I suggested above, rather than broadways. But even if he has broadways, he's calling with lots of them on T 9 6 board because he has overs or draws. I just don't see many hands he limp/calls with and folds on T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and I think he folds lots more with a Q on the flop instead of a 6.

In general, if I don't cbet,it is on flops with low cards with draws, because I get called and c/r on these way more often (also, b/c when I watch videos of good players, these are the flops they say they are most likely not to cbet).
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:09 AM
Inf1n1tY Inf1n1tY is offline
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

no im not c-beting this flop; w/o stats on the villian.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

cbetting here is a huge leak
huuuuuuuuge
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

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cbetting here is a huge leak
huuuuuuuuge

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explain please. I think cbetting here is fine.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

I probably c-bet this unless the villain's Fold to Continuation Bet % is low or I have been c-betting a lot and I think villain's noticed.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

Middle coordinated boards hit a limp/caller almost 200% of the time. If your cbet gets called, you have absolutely no room for maneuver on later streets because 90% of the deck is a scare card for you. Even when you hit your miracle, you may still be well behind.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:29 AM
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

I expect a limp/calling 21/12/6 guy to have a small PP most of the time here... so doing the math it probably is +EV to cbet.

Why would UTG ever limp middle cards and then call a raise OOP? You're so exposed to being dominated and can't play a draw well without position.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:32 AM
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

Q5s is my lucky hand. What you gonna do about it, punk? I calls.

ps 20/10 is exactly the type who overcall SC and Axs without regard of position. This is "the feature" of most 20/10's.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

If I am villain I call any two cards and thank you kindly for shipping the pot on the turn/river
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: Do you c-bet here?

Attention uNL: sneaky Ama limps UTG.
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