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#21
07-12-2006, 01:42 PM
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Re: A Schneids hand for discussion
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[ QUOTE ] the time to c/r that AQ is on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely. As played the river is a c/f. I cant see what is going to bet the river that will fold to a c/r. It just seems too weird. Especially if the players know each other AK would fold, but who says it bets... JT [/ QUOTE ] Would AK fold? In practice, I don't think there is much difference between AK and 88 once facing a check-raise. 
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#22
07-12-2006, 01:46 PM
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Re: A Schneids hand for discussion
"I don't think there is much difference between AK and 88 once facing a check-raise."
i think both those hands have to seriously consider folding facing 4 bet preflop, bet flop, c/r turn. too much strength.
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#23
07-12-2006, 01:50 PM
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Re: A Schneids hand for discussion
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the time to c/r that AQ is on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely. As played the river is a c/f. I cant see what is going to bet the river that will fold to a c/r. It just seems too weird. Especially if the players know each other AK would fold, but who says it bets... JT [/ QUOTE ] Would AK fold? In practice, I don't think there is much difference between AK and 88 once facing a check-raise. [/ QUOTE ] This is a good point.
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#24
07-12-2006, 02:01 PM
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Re: A Schneids hand for discussion
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"I don't think there is much difference between AK and 88 once facing a check-raise." i think both those hands have to seriously consider folding facing 4 bet preflop, bet flop, c/r turn. too much strength. [/ QUOTE ] I usually take a stop-and-go river check raise more seriously than a stop-and-go turn check raise, because the stop part of the stop-and-go is a more natural play on the river.
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#25
07-12-2006, 02:02 PM
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Re: A Schneids hand for discussion
Really? Obviously your play needs to be balanced. But a SNG flop to turn gains you a SB over 3-betting the flop whereas a SNG turn to river gains you nothing and potentially costs you a lot if they check behind on the river. Seems like the former would be more natural for a big hand, therefore.
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#26
07-12-2006, 02:08 PM
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Re: A Schneids hand for discussion
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Really? Obviously your play needs to be balanced. But a SNG flop to turn gains you a SB over 3-betting the flop whereas a SNG turn to river gains you nothing and potentially costs you a lot if they check behind on the river. Seems like the former would be more natural for a big hand, therefore. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not necessarily thinking about what is better for a strong hand. I'm thinking about what is better for a weak or average hand, since that's what you'll have more often than not. These hands should be check-calling or check-folding a lot more often on the river than they do on the turn.
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#27
07-12-2006, 06:44 PM
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Re: A Schneids hand for discussion
What do you gain by check raising. He calls with everything that is beating you except maybe AK and folds everything you are betting (except maybe AJ, or A 10). I call.
I like the turn and flop plays. I might have lead at the river again.
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