Degen was just banned

[Pokeraddict]

Well, it was a hot topic in the mod forum. It did not come to blows so to speak.

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falang if you want to do something good go warn the hookers in phuket to watch out for the white guy with a stupid tattoo on his arm... he's gonna be PISSED when he hears about this and i honestly feel a little bad for them

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you're the one with the conflict of interest. you're one of degen's thai buddies.

degen broke many rules at 2+2. he was temp banned many times, each time with the condition of shaping up. he never did and finally enough was enough, so he was banned. he did enough scummy things that you should be embarrassed to defend him.

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I dont really see why he is so gung ho about defending Degen either... but to be fair if there was a heated discussion in the mod forum about banning him then at least some mods must have thought that Degen should not be banned. It doesn't take a month to decide to ban someone everyone hates.

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It wasn't heated and I don't recall anyone being opposed to banning him.

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This has been a very hot discussion in the mod forum and this was the decision that was reached by the mods as a whole.

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How else can "a very hot discussion" be taken?

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Banning someone with a long posting history and a lot of ties to 2+2 is not easy and it shouldn't be. From all I've seen, Degen was given tons of chances and he continued to screw up. There was debate and then a decision was made with the full support of the admins.

[The4Aces]

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falang if you want to do something good go warn the hookers in phuket to watch out for the white guy with a stupid tattoo on his arm... he's gonna be PISSED when he hears about this and i honestly feel a little bad for them

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lol

[Pokeraddict]

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falang if you want to do something good go warn the hookers in phuket to watch out for the white guy with a stupid tattoo on his arm... he's gonna be PISSED when he hears about this and i honestly feel a little bad for them

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lol

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Thanks for the laugh, it was needed.

[BluffTHIS!]

My comments on this matter:

1) From reading the A/R thread it seems that Degen's behaviour well merited a perma ban.

2) It is nonetheless fair to call into question whether his complaints about Dids, who is one of the mods with the most piss poor judgement, and Degen's un-PC views, were also factors.

3) With the exception of the most egregious bad behaviour, which Degen's case seems to meet, posters should never be banned from the whole site by mods of paid forums, and especially from the A/R forum where there are so many competing interests.

4) PA said in the A/R thread that he inquired about whether it was possible to just ban Degen from that forum and was told no. This can't be correct, unless "no" means "no we don't want to" as opposed to "no it isn't technically feasible". If posters can be banned from OOT by the mechanism of banning them, and then reinstating them for just the other forums via the posting groups feature of the UBB software, then it has to be possible for A/R or any other forum as well.

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My comments on this matter:

1) From reading the A/R thread it seems that Degen's behaviour well merited a perma ban.

2) It is nonetheless fair to call into question whether his complaints about Dids, who is one of the mods with the most piss poor judgement, and Degen's un-PC views, were also factors.

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I don't recall this coming up.

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3) With the exception of the most egregious bad behaviour, which Degen's case seems to meet, posters should never be banned from the whole site by mods of paid forums, and especially from the A/R forum where there are so many competing interests.

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It wasn't one person's decision. I don't think it matters who pushes the button.

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4) PA said in the A/R thread that he inquired about whether it was possible to just ban Degen from that forum and was told no. This can't be correct, unless "no" means "no we don't want to" as opposed to "no it isn't technically feasible". If posters can be banned from OOT by the mechanism of banning them, and then reinstating them for just the other forums via the posting groups feature of the UBB software, then it has to be possible for A/R or any other forum as well.

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That doesn't stop him from abusing the PM system, which was first among many issues.

[Pokeraddict]

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3) With the exception of the most egregious bad behaviour, which Degen's case seems to meet, posters should never be banned from the whole site by mods of paid forums, and especially from the A/R forum where there are so many competing interests.

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A/R is no longer a sponsored forum. It has not been since October 1st. I agree though that it is still unique with the competing interests. I try to be as fair there as when I owned RRR. This is why each and every time there was an issue here I went to the mod forum, just to get views in case this came up where people made accusations like Fahlang. FWIW Beanie was given the same warning Degen was.

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4) PA said in the A/R thread that he inquired about whether it was possible to just ban Degen from that forum and was told no. This can't be correct, unless "no" means "no we don't want to" as opposed to "no it isn't technically feasible". If posters can be banned from OOT by the mechanism of banning them, and then reinstating them for just the other forums via the posting groups feature of the UBB software, then it has to be possible for A/R or any other forum as well.

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I did not understand this either but it seems OOT has its own setup for this. I was told by a mod just to delete all of their posts and that would resolve that. That seemed like a lot of trouble and wanted a more official way of doing it.

I took over modding of A/R because it looked like it was going to get closed down when it was no longer a sponsored forum. From knowing so many in the industry it seemed like the perfect match. It was a way to try and make up for the RRR fiasco. I try to stay out of the other forums which is why I asked if I could just ban him from A/R. This debate about banning just from one forum got the ball rolling to where we are today.

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4) PA said in the A/R thread that he inquired about whether it was possible to just ban Degen from that forum and was told no. This can't be correct, unless "no" means "no we don't want to" as opposed to "no it isn't technically feasible". If posters can be banned from OOT by the mechanism of banning them, and then reinstating them for just the other forums via the posting groups feature of the UBB software, then it has to be possible for A/R or any other forum as well.

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That doesn't stop him from abusing the PM system, which was first among many issues.

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That was another reason for not banning him just from 1 forum.

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A point of clarification... the current software configuration allows only admins to exile users, and only allows them to be exiled from OOT. There was a rationale for this and it was included in a software update at one point or another; any changes to this system would, I believe, also have to be included in a software upgrade in the future.

There was a reason why OOT was the only forum with exiles, and it's not really the point of this thread. But I just wanted to point out that this isn't something that can just get switched overnight, it would have to be part of a planned upgrade and be decided in advance. This is one of the only cases where I've heard a mod even express interest in having the exile feature added to a forum other than OOT; generally, it's not necessary. Also note that the offenses which ultimately got Degen banned have been grounds for instant and permanent banning for quite a while, and the fact that Pokeraddict was willing to simply toss Degen out of A/R shows restraint on his part more than anything else.

Also, there were a lot of mods who were quite vocal about banning Degen, myself included. If anyone deserves heat for this it probably isn't pokeraddict; he merely presented the facts and followed through on the banning because several of the egregious offenses occured in his forum. There were about ten or fifteen of us who would gladly have banned Degen if he hadn't.