hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble

[PhatPots]

I think a lot of people are saying to check the flop mostly because they see he has check-raised you. But if he had folded everyone would be saying it was standard.

As played, I think I fold.

[ike]

Seems like its pretty much consensus that betting here sucks, and I agree.
Do we bet call AT no club? I think I do.
Do we bet/call JcTx? QcTx? KcTx? I think my line here is QcTx and I check it back with JcTx.
Thoughts?

PS: I've played a good bit with Jon but I don't think these decisions depend very much on the fact that he's the villain. I play it the same vs any competent, aggressive player.

[adanthar]

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Seems like its pretty much consensus that betting here sucks, and I agree.
Do we bet call AT no club? I think I do.
Do we bet/call JcTx? QcTx? KcTx? I think my line here is QcTx and I check it back with JcTx.
Thoughts?

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that feels about right. I'd be okay with getting in most other pair + big clubs (Kc9x would be ok etc.) as well but probably wouldn't try to do it on purpose.

[Zugwat]

yea, my first instinct was to check back and I should have, as soon as i made the bet i knew it was bad. At this point already I could just feel the tourney slipping away from me and it was a terrible terrible feeling. Definitely was not playing my best poker on this day.

the feedback has been pretty insightful

I folded the hand and asked him later after i busted what he had. He said he had 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for top two

sigh

[psyduck]

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yea, my first instinct was to check back and I should have, as soon as i made the bet i knew it was bad. At this point already I could just feel the tourney slipping away from me and it was a terrible terrible feeling. Definitely was not playing my best poker on this day.

the feedback has been pretty insightful

I folded the hand and asked him later after i busted what he had. He said he had 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for top two

sigh

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That's the thing. Timing tells against players of this calibre are pretty useless. I'm sure he could have been lying or whatever, but when he snap-shoves on this board you can't immediately think "he most likely has a high club or a big combo draw I call" because that's exactly what JLittle wants you to think.