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#21
01-04-2007, 04:53 PM
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Re: Stars 320 Late Blinds Battle
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[ QUOTE ] raise to 5k, call a reasonable reraise and shove majority of flops. [/ QUOTE ] What sort of flops are we not shoving? [/ QUOTE ] Why are we shoving anyway? If we raise to 5k and he calls, it's like a 10k pot and we have 40k behind, why the hell are we shoving? 
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#22
01-04-2007, 04:57 PM
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Re: Stars 320 Late Blinds Battle
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] raise to 5k, call a reasonable reraise and shove majority of flops. [/ QUOTE ] What sort of flops are we not shoving? [/ QUOTE ] Why are we shoving anyway? If we raise to 5k and he calls, it's like a 10k pot and we have 40k behind, why the hell are we shoving? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] raise to 5k, call a reasonable reraise and shove majority of flops. [/ QUOTE ]
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#24
01-04-2007, 05:07 PM
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Re: Stars 320 Late Blinds Battle
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Oh, sorry, I'm blind today. Uhm...yeah, that works. [/ QUOTE ] A player with this image has a lot more FE with me by making it 15-20k than he does shoving as I think his range is much smaller. I think you guys are all walking into a trap if a player with this image only makes it 15-20k instead of shoving on us in a blind battle. IMO his range would be all big pairs or maybe AK and he's not folding those (correctly) to a 1/2 psb on the flop by us.
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#25
01-04-2007, 05:29 PM
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Re: Stars 320 Late Blinds Battle
effective stacks are 48k
i'm supposed to believe the action goes raise to 5k, he reraises for 43k more? i dont know how "good" villain is, meaning whether or not he'd understand that raising to like 15-20k is pretty horrible unless he's calling a 4bet shove from paul, but im not really willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there. also, paul's addressed that he is very agressive, but is going to be calling this improvised stop n go with AT on a Q47 flop? that's very different from raising half the hands and being maniacally agressive i think you're overestimating his agressiveness if you're limping with KJs here. i mean, 50% of the time he's going to have something worse than J9. now suddenly you're playing OOP with a hand that had value against half the hands in the deck with no information except he doesnt have an ace or a pair.
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#26
01-04-2007, 06:10 PM
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Re: Stars 320 Late Blinds Battle
I want to pose some scenarios:
1. You raise to 8k and he shoves. 2. You raise to 6k and he shoves. 3. You raise to 5k and he calls. Flop comes AQd5r. 4. You limp and he raises to 8k. 5. You limp and he shoves. 6. You limp and he checks and flop comes AQd5r. Thoughts on any, all of these scenarios?
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#27
01-04-2007, 06:27 PM
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Re: Stars 320 Late Blinds Battle
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I want to pose some scenarios: 1. You raise to 8k and he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is pretty close with the pot odds of 1.4-1, but I think you are ok making this call against his range (any pair, any ace, KT+, QT+, JT+ and some suited connectors. [ QUOTE ] 2. You raise to 6k and he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] Pot odds are only slightly worse like 1.35-1. In the actual hand, villian instantly shoved, he didn't give any consideration to the size of your raise. He had already planned to shove whatever he had to any raise. I think this weights down the monster hands like AA-TT because most people would want to think about how to play these hands. [ QUOTE ] 3. You raise to 5k and he calls. Flop comes AQd5r. [/ QUOTE ] Given that he didn't shove, I don't think he has an ace here. I think I make a standard continuation bet. [ QUOTE ] 4. You limp and he raises to 8k. [/ QUOTE ] Probably call, sometimes shove, never fold. [ QUOTE ] 5. You limp and he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] Fold [ QUOTE ] 6. You limp and he checks and flop comes AQd5r. [/ QUOTE ] I think I might go for a check/raise here. He is pretty aggro so he will probably try to steal it, but I don't put him on an ace.
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#28
01-04-2007, 06:31 PM
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Re: Stars 320 Late Blinds Battle
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effective stacks are 48k i'm supposed to believe the action goes raise to 5k, he reraises for 43k more? [/ QUOTE ] Why is that hard to believe? A reraise to 20k is 40% of ucla's stack.
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#30
01-04-2007, 06:35 PM
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Re: Stars 320 Late Blinds Battle
For me, pre-flop is about who gets the equity of the stack committing bet with their above average hand.
If you raise, you take can take down a small pot at the risk of being put to a decision for your stack but the order of play and stack and pot size means that is more likely that villain will have the chance to make a committing bet that is not an overbet. If you limp, then either by reraising pre or leading post, you are the one more often posing that question.
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