If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...

[UATrewqaz]

What you fail to understand is what sort of damage you do to your creditability when you start in with your "zomg 9/11 was a conspriacy!!1" stuff.

In the world's eyes, this completely invalidates any and all other opinions you may hold.

If you fail to grasp something so simple and obvious and proven as the facts of 9/11, how can your opinion on anything else be trusted?

It would be like if you were listening to a guy give opinions on stuff at a lecture and you were agreeing with him, then all the sudden he began telling you about his home planet Nebulon 5 in the Corpulus sector.

You'd be like "WTF, this guy is a loon." and odds are you wouldn't take anything he has to say from that point on seriously.

There are 3 types of conspriacy theory people

1. People who desperately want to feel special and smart.

2. People who suffer from some sort of actual mental illness (paranoid schizophrenics, etc.)

3. People who would directly benefit if the conspiracy were actually true (politically, economically, etc.)

You're probably a combo of 1 & 3.

[zasterguava]

Your wrong in the way you are trying to catergorise conspiracy theorist into 3 categories (reductionist, much?)- But your right in that claiming 9/11 was a inside job is both absurd, factually incomprehensible and discredits more worthy and valid criticisms of the government the person may have.

[Steven Bickford]

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" Saddam is the one who ordered gas attacks on innocent civilians. It's not our fault that Iran, Al Qaeda, and the former Sunni ruling elite are doing everything in their power to cause chaos and make America look bad. "

Well, when you prop up Sadaam and send him weapons, money and yes even biological agents, when you fund the people who turned into Al-Qaeda and when you over throw the democratically elected government in Iran, subverting the first Muslim democracy in the middle east, I would say you bear some of the responsibility.

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Even if I grant you, in arguendo, that America made mistakes in the past, that has little relevance on whether or not the current war in Iraq is just. For example, let's say that a father gives his child a gun and tells him to shoot his mother. The father then realizes that his previous action was wrong and tries to get the gun back from the child to prevent him from killing her. Is the father not justified in taking the gun away from the child?

Save the arguments about the past for the historians. If you want to talk about whether America's current actions are right or wrong, analyze America's actions based on current conditions and justifications.

[mosdef]

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Even if I grant you, in arguendo, that America made mistakes in the past, that has little relevance on whether or not the current war in Iraq is just. For example, let's say that a father gives his child a gun and tells him to shoot his mother. The father then realizes that his previous action was wrong and tries to get the gun back from the child to prevent him from killing her. Is the father not justified in taking the gun away from the child?

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I think a more apt analogy would be the father giving a gun to his daughter and saying "kill the son, he did something wrong", and then giving a gun to his nephew and saying "kill the daughter, she did something wrong", and on and on and on.

[Nielsio]

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If you fail to grasp something so simple and obvious and proven as the facts of 9/11

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Hahaha.


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The Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA, speculated that office fires caused the collapse of the building. It, however, acknowledged in its report in May 2002: <font color="red">"The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. [...] the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence."</font>
http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html


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[NeBlis]

who are you and what have you done w/ Bickford?

I am impressed w/ your new civil non troll tone and retract my grease fire comment

[mosdef]

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who are you and what have you done w/ Bickford?

I am impressed w/ your new civil non troll tone and retract my grease fire comment

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Perhaps the free exchange of ideas has softened his resolve. It's Nielsio's "Internet For a Free Humanity" in action!

[Steven Bickford]

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Even if I grant you, in arguendo, that America made mistakes in the past, that has little relevance on whether or not the current war in Iraq is just. For example, let's say that a father gives his child a gun and tells him to shoot his mother. The father then realizes that his previous action was wrong and tries to get the gun back from the child to prevent him from killing her. Is the father not justified in taking the gun away from the child?

[/ QUOTE ]

I think a more apt analogy would be the father giving a gun to his daughter and saying "kill the son, he did something wrong", and then giving a gun to his nephew and saying "kill the daughter, she did something wrong", and on and on and on.

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If the daughter were Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein, then yes that would be a very apt analogy.

[mosdef]

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If the daughter were Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein, then yes that would be a very apt analogy.

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And you think the optimal solution for the father is to continue handing out guns, rather than choosing to stop handing out guns?

[GoodCallYouWin]

"Is the father not justified in taking the gun away from the child?"

A more accurate analogy would be, could the father blow the brains out of the little child in 'defense' of the mother? The answer is no.