3h, What do you do with?

[daryn]

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I realize that "x" implies a weak kicker, but at what value does the "x" become a cap against "typical" opponents? That's probably a better question.

A8s and K9s? Too loose/tight?

I can't imagine cold-calling any of these hands is ideal.

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i cap ATs and recently i capped A8s but i wasn't so sure about that one. of course it depends on who is on the sb and bu

[kahntrutahn]

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button raises and SB 3towns? all of these hands are folds.

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Why?

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because you don't have anything and you are stuck in the middle between 2 guys and you are going to make bad-payoff hands when you hit and ugh i can't beleive this is really even a question.

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Simply trying to start discussion. To do so, I must do a little devil's advocate [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[surfdoc]

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button raises and SB 3towns? all of these hands are folds.

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Why?

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because you don't have anything and you are stuck in the middle between 2 guys and you are going to make bad-payoff hands when you hit and ugh i can't beleive this is really even a question.

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I think those of us that don't play at he highest stakes may not realize the super-wide-open-sometimes-any-two-card opening ranges that exist from certain players and therefore find it hard to fathom ever getting involved with often dominated hands. So I don't think the question is ridiculous. That being said I still don't want to get involved with any of these hands.

[kahntrutahn]

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I think those of us that don't play at he highest stakes may not realize the super-wide-open-sometimes-any-two-card opening ranges that exist from certain players and therefore find it hard to fathom ever getting involved with often dominated hands. So I don't think the question is ridiculous. That being said I still don't want to get involved with any of these hands.

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That is often a problem. You'll have a BU opening 70%+ and a SB 3B with 45-55% of his hands. Those times you fold Ax and see the BU w/93s and the SB w/K7o you just want to puke. It's not always that way, but it leads me to believe that there is some correct frequency to such calls and/or caps given certain game dynamics.

[mntbikr15]

Seems like setting up some sort of way to totally randomize it would be best then? IE having a timer. If it falls between 0-20 seconds fold, 20-40 seconds call, 40-60 seconds raise?

I agree that there are games where folding these seems criminal.

Edit-Three handed I dont think button EVER folds.

[danzasmack]

Assuming SB adjusts to us, calling these for a while should tighten him up because he is then playing in the worst position into 2 player with weak hands.