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#21
10-23-2007, 03:31 PM
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Re: Doyle Brunson is wrong about straights and free cards
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His point is not that every card that comes will make a straight possible, but simply that if there is an A on the board, there is always AT LEAST ONE CARD that will make a straight on the turn. You can never guarantee that your opponent will not make a straight. And yes, it's true, but not particularly meaningful. It would probably have been better to point out flops where it's impossible for the turn to bring a straight. [/ QUOTE ] If that's what Brunson meant, it's kinda useless info. There's 284 ways for ABC type flop. 220 ways for ABC type flop with no ace. Only four ways out of the 220 is it not possible to have a turn straight threat card. K83, K82, K72, and Q72. If you're worried about unlikely turn straights, you're to...o paranoid for this game. 
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#22
10-23-2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: Doyle Brunson is wrong about straights and free cards
this thread is retarded
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#23
10-24-2007, 12:32 AM
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Re: Doyle Brunson is wrong about straights and free cards
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I agree that the Ace observation is true, but not very useful. It's misleading in the sense you mention, a better statement is a straight possibility is 100% certain with an unpaired flop unless the flop is 2, 7, Q; 2, 7, K; 2, 8, K; or 3, 8, K. Sure an A guarantees a straight possibility, but so does 4, 5, 6, 9, T or J. And even if flop consists only of 2, 3, 7, 8, Q and K, there's a 75% chance of a straight possiblity. It's not a bad pedagogical point for getting people to think about how many straight possibilities there are, and how dangerous free cards can be. But it's a bad point in that it can misleading about the situation without an Ace. As a practical matter, you don't worry too much about straights that require someone to hold 63 and hit an inside card on the turn. You worry a lot more if the flop contains JT because KQ is a hand that will likely see the flop, and an open-ended high straight is a likely draw. [/ QUOTE ] the reason he talked about the ace thing is because he was talking about why he doesnt ever slowplay a set of aces
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#24
10-24-2007, 10:23 AM
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Re: Doyle Brunson is wrong about straights and free cards
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[ QUOTE ] here is something an old timer told me that i figured out was wrong. "In holdem, you can make every straight with a Ten Five" . this is incorrect. DUCY? [/ QUOTE ] no 9high straight btw fu for beeing a smartass [/ QUOTE ] 5-6-7-8-9 unless you are playing with 4 cards?
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#25
10-24-2007, 10:41 AM
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Re: Doyle Brunson is wrong about straights and free cards
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] here is something an old timer told me that i figured out was wrong. "In holdem, you can make every straight with a Ten Five" . this is incorrect. DUCY? [/ QUOTE ] no 9high straight btw fu for beeing a smartass [/ QUOTE ] 5-6-7-8-9 unless you are playing with 4 cards? [/ QUOTE ] Really? How about that T of yours? 6-7-8-9-T
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#26
10-24-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: Doyle Brunson is wrong about straights and free cards
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Quote: Quote: Quote: here is something an old timer told me that i figured out was wrong. "In holdem, you can make every straight with a Ten Five" . this is incorrect. DUCY? no 9high straight btw fu for beeing a smartass 5-6-7-8-9 unless you are playing with 4 cards? Really? How about that T of yours? 6-7-8-9-T [/ QUOTE ] LOL! bingo right on the money. a T 5 can make every straight except for a 9 high straight. u guys crack me up.
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#28
10-24-2007, 05:05 PM
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Re: Doyle Brunson is wrong about straights and free cards
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It's just one of his rules(or better a guideline). But it isn't always right. AT5 flop. 6,7,8, and 9 does not make a straight. A95 flop. K,Q,J, and T does not make a straight. [/ QUOTE ] In both of your examples a 2, 3, or 4 make a wheel. Also in the first example a J, Q, or K makes broadway.
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