800k stuck in neteller, will legal representation help me? - Page 3

crashjr · #1 03-09-2007, 02:29 PM

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If the DOJ/USAO can prove NETeller is a money laundering operation, it's going to be somewhere between tough to impossible for US customers to get their money back. Do you think the DOJ would let you have your money back from the mob if it was entangled in a money laundering scheme, even if you legitimately earned your money? Maybe... But think about the hassle and nightmare that would be.

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In order for the US Attorney to keep the money, the money would go through either a civil or a criminal forfeiture proceeding. After the money is declared forfeit, there is a process whereby innocent third parties make claims for the money. The process is a pain, but money can be recovered. I was involved in a few cases as a young pup associate attorney where we successfully recovered millions of dollars for clients in innocent third party proceedings.

NY60 · #2 03-02-2007, 01:47 PM

I am a lawyer...not much sense in litigation right now...in fact in what venue is such a lawsuit brought...certainly not in the United States since Neteller is a foreign entity that claims to have no ties to US jurisdiction...indeed all the supposed good arguments that Neteller and others can escape US criminal prosecution since it does not "do business here" works to the disadvantage of all its US customers since they cannot also be sued in a civil matter here in the US...good luck fighting that battle!

Anyway, if retaining an attorney still interests you here is what I suggest...with all the talk of funds confiscation by the DOJ it would benefit you most by ascertaining whether or not this is true. ALL court files of this matter are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. In fact, any attorney who practices in federal court has a paid online access to the Court's files through a system known as PACER. If you want to spend money on a lawyer, hire one in the jurisdiction in which the criminal charges are pending. He/she will be able to tell you after reviewing the Court files whether the US government has seized any monies. Such information would be in the court file. Thereafter, they would be in the best position to advise on the potential outcome of such actions including what you may be able to do about this. THIS SHOULD NOT COST YOU ANY SIGNFICIANT AMOUNT OF MONEY EITHER...maybe, maybe a couple of thousand dollars AT THE MOST...

if you decide to take further action they should also be able to give you a good faith estimate at what you are looking at. ALSO keep in mind that we are dealing in the crininal law arena...most GOOD criminal attorneys, although expensive...DO NOT PRACTICE in mega large lawfirms but usually solo or small boutique firms, so for good value, in this matter, I would stay away from a high priced mega law firm. GOOD LUCK!

Mendacious · #3 03-02-2007, 02:05 PM

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I am a lawyer...not much sense in litigation right now...in fact in what venue is such a lawsuit brought...certainly not in the United States since Neteller is a foreign entity that claims to have no ties to US jurisdiction...indeed all the supposed good arguments that Neteller and others can escape US criminal prosecution since it does not "do business here" works to the disadvantage of all its US customers since they cannot also be sued in a civil matter here in the US...good luck fighting that battle!

Anyway, if retaining an attorney still interests you here is what I suggest...with all the talk of funds confiscation by the DOJ it would benefit you most by ascertaining whether or not this is true. ALL court files of this matter are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. In fact, any attorney who practices in federal court has a paid online access to the Court's files through a system known as PACER. If you want to spend money on a lawyer, hire one in the jurisdiction in which the criminal charges are pending. He/she will be able to tell you after reviewing the Court files whether the US government has seized any monies. Such information would be in the court file. Thereafter, they would be in the best position to advise on the potential outcome of such actions including what you may be able to do about this. THIS SHOULD NOT COST YOU ANY SIGNFICIANT AMOUNT OF MONEY EITHER...maybe, maybe a couple of thousand dollars AT THE MOST...

if you decide to take further action they should also be able to give you a good faith estimate at what you are looking at. ALSO keep in mind that we are dealing in the crininal law arena...most GOOD criminal attorneys, although expensive...DO NOT PRACTICE in mega large lawfirms but usually solo or small boutique firms, so for good value, in this matter, I would stay away from a high priced mega law firm. GOOD LUCK!

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I agree there may be some documents in the Neteller Founder's criminal case which would paint a clearer picture, however, I have a feeling that there has been no "seizure" of funds. I think all you will accomplish is ruling out or limiting one of the theories floating around out there.

NY60 · #4 03-02-2007, 02:17 PM

I think you are 100% correct especialy since this is a case against the individuals and NOT the corporation itself. Since the case is against individuals...only their individual assets can be seized.

bilyin · #5 03-02-2007, 08:54 PM

I just called Neteller and was told the funds are seized and the representative then referred me to the update website. The update website was very vague as to why funds are not returned to U.S. customers. I have over 13k in Neteller. What are my options now? Why isn't there a class action lawsuit? We have a legitimate wrong being done here, why is there no suit?

coxquinn · #6 03-02-2007, 09:47 PM

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I just called Neteller and was told the funds are seized and the representative then referred me to the update website.

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huh?

Jeff W · #7 03-02-2007, 11:35 PM

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I just called Neteller and was told the funds are seized and the representative then referred me to the update website. The update website was very vague as to why funds are not returned to U.S. customers. I have over 13k in Neteller. What are my options now? Why isn't there a class action lawsuit? We have a legitimate wrong being done here, why is there no suit?

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Won't a class action lawsuit just [censored] us all in the ass and result in everyone getting pennies on the dollar if it succeeds?

frommagio · #8 03-03-2007, 05:47 PM

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I am a lawyer...not much sense in litigation right now...in fact in what venue is such a lawsuit brought...certainly not in the United States since Neteller is a foreign entity that claims to have no ties to US jurisdiction...indeed all the supposed good arguments that Neteller and others can escape US criminal prosecution since it does not "do business here" works to the disadvantage of all its US customers since they cannot also be sued in a civil matter here in the US...good luck fighting that battle!

Anyway, if retaining an attorney still interests you here is what I suggest...with all the talk of funds confiscation by the DOJ it would benefit you most by ascertaining whether or not this is true. ALL court files of this matter are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. In fact, any attorney who practices in federal court has a paid online access to the Court's files through a system known as PACER. If you want to spend money on a lawyer, hire one in the jurisdiction in which the criminal charges are pending. He/she will be able to tell you after reviewing the Court files whether the US government has seized any monies. Such information would be in the court file. Thereafter, they would be in the best position to advise on the potential outcome of such actions including what you may be able to do about this. THIS SHOULD NOT COST YOU ANY SIGNFICIANT AMOUNT OF MONEY EITHER...maybe, maybe a couple of thousand dollars AT THE MOST...

if you decide to take further action they should also be able to give you a good faith estimate at what you are looking at. ALSO keep in mind that we are dealing in the crininal law arena...most GOOD criminal attorneys, although expensive...DO NOT PRACTICE in mega large lawfirms but usually solo or small boutique firms, so for good value, in this matter, I would stay away from a high priced mega law firm. GOOD LUCK!

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If you decide to hire a lawyer, be sure to find one who can write well.

mikeroddick · #9 03-04-2007, 02:00 AM

Did pokerstars give you an option to get your funds any other method other then thru PS and to Neteller?

If not, could they have some culpablity and therefore some responsibility?

Dennisa · #10 03-04-2007, 02:20 AM

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Did pokerstars give you an option to get your funds any other method other then thru PS and to Neteller?

If not, could they have some culpablity and therefore some responsibility?

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OP could of had stars send a wire transfer directly into his bank account. Was he too cheap to pay the $25 fee....or did he not want to have a trail into his bank account? OP did take a risk in keeping his money offshore.