i have a draw, 25/50 nl live--opinions on all streets welcome

[Stinger88]

your line up to the river is fine, as is raising the flop. I don't really like a turn raise though given your read. As played I'd call river, if he's good he can vb worse and possibly bluff also.

[pnazari]

I dont play quite this high nor with this calibre of player but in my experience this is almost always the nuts and the river is a fold. having said that, i would throw in a raise on the flop with the intentions of folding to a reraise.

[Maulik]

Is calling the turn good? Your hands value is a bluff-catcher; if you don't improve it's a gross spot to fold on the river.

Raise the turn if you don't want to don't want to call. I do not see merit in raising the turn, as others have said.


If this guy has a smaller flush isn't an overbet superior to bet/calling assuming he's always paying off bigger flushes?


From what I've seen you play and post I think you call too much. That said, fold riv.

[ski]

I don't think he figures you for a flush draw after you call a ~PSB on the turn. He could easily have a worse hand here IMO. I could see a straight/lowerflush easily making this play in addition to some other stuff occasionally. You're definately going to lose here a fair bit, but I think call is +EV.

(I have basically no experience playing live)

[TxRedMan]

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dlp,

"If anyone finds a fold on the river, please say why"

It's only worth responding to a post like this if we assume what you write is valid.

"in my experience ... a river overbet like this is almost NEVER a bluff"

"he knows I love to call him down"

"he can't really be bluffing."

"it certainly looks like I could have been flushing given the action."

"my physical read of him ... was that he was absolutely not bluffing."

"he pretty much had to have a flush there."

In which case, this is an easy fold.

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Villain doesn't have to be bluffing for OP to win @ showdown.

OP says villains knows he'll call down light. So why wouldn't he shove here with less than the nuts?

[MYNAMEIZGREG]

I can't see a huge winner player only able to shove here with a better hand than yours, especially when you played it so passively, he could definetely see you being the one who is weak with a non-flush hand, and be vbing vs that range (maybe sets, straights, smaller flushes, bigger flushes)

[van_exel_fan]

Low stakes lurker wonders why he didn't flop the straight w/ 9/10

[dlpnyc21]

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dlp,

"If anyone finds a fold on the river, please say why"

It's only worth responding to a post like this if we assume what you write is valid.

"in my experience ... a river overbet like this is almost NEVER a bluff"

"he knows I love to call him down"

"he can't really be bluffing."

"it certainly looks like I could have been flushing given the action."

"my physical read of him ... was that he was absolutely not bluffing."

"he pretty much had to have a flush there."

In which case, this is an easy fold.

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Villain doesn't have to be bluffing for OP to win @ showdown.

OP says villains knows he'll call down light. So why wouldn't he shove here with less than the nuts?

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the problem is this: i look like i very well could be flushing. the flush comes. he still shoves. Live river overbets are often the nuts...if it looks like i could have a flush, and he's still betting--does he do this with a set, or even a straight? given that there are two hearts on board, wouldn't a set or straight raise at some point (this is from the villain's perspective), so if he has a straight, he wouldn't expect me to turn up a set here v. often). I think my hand looks v. much like a draw chasing. yet he still shoves. i really don't think he turns up with a set/straight here v. often, I think that would be burning $. I think he has a flush far more often, and like duck said, it becomes a math problem to see what hands (mainly flushes) can value bet like this that I beat.
dlpnyc21

[Darkfolder]

Isnt he expecting you to raise a flushdraw on the flop most of the time this deep?

[dlpnyc21]

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Isnt he expecting you to raise a flushdraw on the flop most of the time this deep?

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sure, some of the time, but raising a flush draw this deep is often asking to get pushed off my hand b/c if he reraises i can't really call (or shove).