KK deep

[Michaelson]

Like I said, isolation is the number 1 reason, but particularly against straightforward villains I'm happy for them to put in extra money preflop if they'll give up easily postflop. I worded it incorrectly before, it's not just about cutting down on implied odds, it's also about getting value preflop (even if their hand is not technically behind).

Anyway, that's all neither here nor there. My point was that there's nothing abnormal about the preflop re-raise, particularly on a deep stacked table, and that it definitely does not reveal the strength of Orange's hand.

[Nielsio]

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Like I said, isolation is the number 1 reason, but particularly against straightforward villains I'm happy for them to put in extra money preflop if they'll give up easily postflop. I worded it incorrectly before, it's not just about cutting down on implied odds, it's also about getting value preflop (even if their hand is not technically behind).

Anyway, that's all neither here nor there. My point was that there's nothing abnormal about the preflop re-raise, particularly on a deep stacked table, and that it definitely does not reveal the strength of Orange's hand.

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If you raise more than 4 times in this spot with less than premiums then you are playing 'abnormal' and you shouldn't assume it's standard in a thread like this.

[Nick Royale]

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Like I said, isolation is the number 1 reason

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Ok, I thought we were talking about this situation (BvB).

I usually don't raise a rr a min-raise to 10bb anyway, but it's not like I think it's terrible so whatever.

[Michaelson]

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Like I said, isolation is the number 1 reason, but particularly against straightforward villains I'm happy for them to put in extra money preflop if they'll give up easily postflop. I worded it incorrectly before, it's not just about cutting down on implied odds, it's also about getting value preflop (even if their hand is not technically behind).

Anyway, that's all neither here nor there. My point was that there's nothing abnormal about the preflop re-raise, particularly on a deep stacked table, and that it definitely does not reveal the strength of Orange's hand.

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If you raise more than 4 times in this spot with less than premiums then you are playing 'abnormal' and you shouldn't assume it's standard in a thread like this.

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Just quickly, I wasn't saying a raise that large is standard, but I do think that if a raise to $19 is hand defining in this spot you're playing too rigidly preflop.

[carnivalhobo]

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You've clearly announced your range, yet he bets full pot on a non dangerous board.

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i think orange's range for 3betting a minraise and firing two is pretty wide

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The oversized preflop raise is pretty obvious imho.

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totally normal in these games, and yes i play in them

[RikkiDee]

I routinely pay these off and am right about 1% of the time.

even saying that I'd still call.

[kosher]

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in reality he has 44 and I punch screen and threaten his mother

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[ejay]

results

[orange]

A3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and i lose. ty for replies.

[Oct0puz]

I would want to have some more discussion on the size of the raise PF.

According to the new 2+2 book PNL this raise size is the worst possible (less or more is better). Raising bigger is better because you can commit much easier and raising smaller is better because you can get to the river without facing an all-in threat 250bb deep. Raising to $19 puts us in a very tough spot because we have 3 pot-sized bets left postflop.

What do you think about this?