"Rabbit Cam" online

[supafrey]

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The Rabbit Cam is a horrible idea.

Some major online poker sites ensure that systems cannot be compromised by ensuring that cards ARE NOT predetermined until all action has finished; if there is no action to finish off that hand the card will not be selected.

For an online site to advertise that it pre-determines cards regardless of any finalizing action, is a testament to the lack of programming and security features that they have on the site.

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errr.. why couldn't they just pull out a random card post-fold?

[theclock]

RNG???

[funnymunny]

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errr.. why couldn't they just pull out a random card post-fold?

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Egggg-zactly!

[meleader2]

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errr.. why couldn't they just pull out a random card post-fold?

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Egggg-zactly!

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actually no the server should show the $ card for the fish's draw instead of a random one. that'd be sick.

[Zeugma]

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The Rabbit Cam is a horrible idea.

Some major online poker sites ensure that systems cannot be compromised by ensuring that cards ARE NOT predetermined until all action has finished; if there is no action to finish off that hand the card will not be selected.

For an online site to advertise that it pre-determines cards regardless of any finalizing action, is a testament to the lack of programming and security features that they have on the site.

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errr.. why couldn't they just pull out a random card post-fold?

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As mentioned, pulling out a random card post flop would not be representative of what the card would have really been. In essence, if a player delays one second, two second, the deck is always shuffling -- it is only at that instantaneous time that he picks his action, does the card become selected -- moreover, the ACTION he opts will also affect what the card would have been. If he raises, say with a bluff - the river card would be different than say if he folds.

I do apologize if this does not seem clear to you, however I just woke up and have sexual objects still floating in my head.

[meleader2]

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The Rabbit Cam is a horrible idea.

Some major online poker sites ensure that systems cannot be compromised by ensuring that cards ARE NOT predetermined until all action has finished; if there is no action to finish off that hand the card will not be selected.

For an online site to advertise that it pre-determines cards regardless of any finalizing action, is a testament to the lack of programming and security features that they have on the site.

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wtf would it matter just use any RNG even if it's crackable and show it on the rabbit cam.

[Daddy Warbucks]

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For an online site to advertise that it pre-determines cards regardless of any finalizing action, is a testament to the lack of programming and security features that they have on the site.

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Even though you only have 1 post, i still feel the need to address this.

This is retarded. If you know anything about true randomization in computing, you'd realise that its not a testament to it at all. It is still possible to get a truly random shuffle without needing input from users or w/e else some sites use.

[Zeugma]

Sorry, I guess I am a retard then.

True randomizing variables, such as the ones utilized in some major online poker software, take into consideration user action and time in generating the, let's say for arguments sake, river card.

If a player checks, folds, or raises it will manifest a different card on the river. So showing this "it would have been this river card" is arbitrary -- as it is VERY likely that the card would have been different if the user called, folded, or raised. The best RNG security uses this type of RNG to ensure that if someone does sniff packets or whatever the medium of compromising the system, that STILL, they will not be able truly know what the river card is.

[Daddy Warbucks]

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Sorry, I guess I am a retard then.

True randomizing variables, such as the ones utilized in some major online poker software, take into consideration user action and time in generating the, let's say for arguments sake, river card.

If a player checks, folds, or raises it will manifest a different card on the river. So showing this "it would have been this river card" is arbitrary -- as it is VERY likely that the card would have been different if the user called, folded, or raised. The best RNG security uses this type of RNG to ensure that if someone does sniff packets or whatever the medium of compromising the system, that STILL, they will not be able truly know what the river card is.

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As i already wrote, taking user input is only one of a huge number of ways to create a truly random number generator. You could use anything random, like the oscilloscope set up on an outdoor mic. With your method, the information still has to travel over a network, so your point about packet sniffing is moot.