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09-18-2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
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This is a complete non story. Shocking that the OP came from a pats fan, its like some of you guys will point to anything to obscure your teams transgressions. [/ QUOTE ] you're [censored] stupid if you think i'm using this to justify what the pats did, since i have repeatedly said i have no problem with the penalty. 
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09-18-2007, 12:46 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
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[ QUOTE ] This is a complete non story. Shocking that the OP came from a pats fan, its like some of you guys will point to anything to obscure your teams transgressions. [/ QUOTE ] you're [censored] stupid if you think i'm using this to justify what the pats did, since i have repeatedly said i have no problem with the penalty. [/ QUOTE ] Would you use the term "cheating" if Billick had said the Jets were getting away with holding? Because they are both 5 yard penalties.
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09-18-2007, 12:47 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
I think these mindgames are interesting
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09-18-2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
hahahaha yea this is so cheating
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09-18-2007, 12:49 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Billick accused them of illegally simulating snap counts to draw the offense offsides. [/ QUOTE ] Can someone help out a casual football fan here? What does simulating a snap count mean? [/ QUOTE ] Its defensive players yelling "hut" or something like it in an attempt to make offensive players think the QB is yelling it, which would then lead them to false start. [/ QUOTE ] These seems bush league, but I'm surprised there's a rule against it. Why can't the offense be responsible for looking to see if the ball is actually snapped instead of jumping at the first "hut" they hear? I'm sure that a few judisciously applied cut blocks on defenders that try this stuff might work.
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09-18-2007, 12:53 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Billick accused them of illegally simulating snap counts to draw the offense offsides. [/ QUOTE ] Can someone help out a casual football fan here? What does simulating a snap count mean? [/ QUOTE ] Its defensive players yelling "hut" or something like it in an attempt to make offensive players think the QB is yelling it, which would then lead them to false start. [/ QUOTE ] These seems bush league, but I'm surprised there's a rule against it. Why can't the offense be responsible for looking to see if the ball is actually snapped instead of jumping at the first "hut" they hear? I'm sure that a few judisciously applied cut blocks on defenders that try this stuff might work. [/ QUOTE ] It isn't baseball. If football players are left to sort out their own unwritten rules there will be no one left to play after ever everyone is out for the season with knee injuries.
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#8
09-18-2007, 12:57 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
according to Easterbrook's TMQ today, the whole NFL is going to [censored], and it's all Bill's fault. So this whole discussion is moot, anyway.
Oh yeah, and this is a non-story, and doesn't reflect poorly on Mangini at all. It's the refs responsibility to call it. It's not scandalous or anything.
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#9
09-18-2007, 01:42 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Billick accused them of illegally simulating snap counts to draw the offense offsides. [/ QUOTE ] Can someone help out a casual football fan here? What does simulating a snap count mean? [/ QUOTE ] Its defensive players yelling "hut" or something like it in an attempt to make offensive players think the QB is yelling it, which would then lead them to false start. [/ QUOTE ] These seems bush league, but I'm surprised there's a rule against it. Why can't the offense be responsible for looking to see if the ball is actually snapped instead of jumping at the first "hut" they hear? I'm sure that a few judisciously applied cut blocks on defenders that try this stuff might work. [/ QUOTE ] Two things. First, the rule, and it's certainly a good one, is in place because without it, the whole game suffers. The QB must be allowed to call out the cadance or the level of play drops off significantly. Crowd noise is fine, it's a part of the game, but the D trying to trick the offensive linemen, most of whom can't see the ball clearly, isn't fair. Secondly, and this is a bit nitty as you said you were a casual fan, but you're confusing "cut" blocks with "chop" blocks. Cut blocks are legal. A cut block is when the blocker engages a defender below the waist, and is most often used by a RB to stop a blitzing LB or CB. A chop block is illegal and occurs when an offensive player hits a player below the waist when that player is already being blocked by someone else. It's illegal obviously because of how dangerous it is to hit someone in the knees when their attention is correctly focused elsewhere. Cody
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#10
09-18-2007, 01:48 PM
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Re: billick calls out mangini\'s jets for cheating
Actually cut blocks which are legal are actually frowned upon and considered bush league because of the injury factor. So using this tactic as a deterrent to stop defenders from barking out hut would be something you might want to do to send a message.
Edit to add: In the context you cited, to cut a blitzing LB or DB they are not bush and acceptable. It is the use of them in a downfield situation that they are frowned on by the players.
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