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Re: Every street debatable
If we c/c the flop, we have to c/r a turn with a 7 imo. The 7 is a scary card, he folds very often a nine outers. Moreover if he 3 bet, we have 0 or 2 outs and we can make a clean fold.
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Re: Every street debatable
Fold PF? 86o is hardly a powerhouse! As played just call him down and let him bluff off chips ace high. On the river he's ahead.
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#3
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Re: Every street debatable
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this guy is going to charge himself to draw on the turn. i just c/c down, and With that turn and river, i'm not folding. As played, you are probably smoked on the river, but I can't see how you can fold. [/ QUOTE ] This whole thread is sick. If I was forced to draw up a better example of when to run the "Check/Call Down" play I would be hard-pressed to beat out this hand. Anybody who doesnt understand why C/Cing down unless the board gets really bad, is the play here needs to re-evaluate their game. I would start by getting back to the basics and opening up their dusty "Theory of Poker" books to pages 270-272. For those like TheHip and Palomino who figured out that C/C down is the play here, you should pat yourselves on the back. If I ever write a book on holdem this will be the type of situation I will use to illustrate when to apply the C/C down play. Here we have the perfect type of hand, against the perfect type of player to run this play so lets not check/raise the flop and screw this up. |
#4
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Re: Every street debatable
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[ QUOTE ] this guy is going to charge himself to draw on the turn. i just c/c down, and With that turn and river, i'm not folding. As played, you are probably smoked on the river, but I can't see how you can fold. [/ QUOTE ] This whole thread is sick. If I was forced to draw up a better example of when to run the "Check/Call Down" play I would be hard-pressed to beat out this hand. Anybody who doesnt understand why C/Cing down unless the board gets really bad, is the play here needs to re-evaluate their game. I would start by getting back to the basics and opening up their dusty "Theory of Poker" books to pages 270-272. For those like TheHip and Palomino who figured out that C/C down is the play here, you should pat yourselves on the back. If I ever write a book on holdem this will be the type of situation I will use to illustrate when to apply the C/C down play. Here we have the perfect type of hand, against the perfect type of player to run this play so lets not check/raise the flop and screw this up. [/ QUOTE ] not trying to debate you, but how do you know the value of inducing bluffs on this board outweighs the value of him calling down with A high or lower pp + the value of not letting him take free cards? does it just come from experience or is there some way to see that? on a related note, there's stox's c/r c/c c/c line. |
#5
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Re: Every street debatable
Why are we not check calling the river as played against a 2.3 and giving him a chance to bet his busted draw or his A?
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Re: Every street debatable
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Why are we not check calling the river as played against a 2.3 and giving him a chance to bet his busted draw or his A? [/ QUOTE ] Because he 3bets most draws on the flop & calls with his A all day. |
#7
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Re: Every street debatable
Against most lags with a c/r on the flop, it looks too suspicious. On this river nina can have a busted draw and he can make a crying call with ace high.
A raise on the river is very unlikely. c/c<b/c, but it is not obvious c/f<b/c. |
#8
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Re: Every street debatable
The major thing here is your river bet, I would give enough credit to villians turn call to c/c.
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#9
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Re: Every street debatable
I really dislike c/c river for the reasons MacGuyV gave
He is fastplaying draws. So when you c/c river he is checking behind Ax and lower pairs a lot. Even this guy. You HAVE to bet to get value from those given your line so far. |
#10
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Re: Every street debatable
I check/call all streets without any hesitation.The only decision I think is close is the river one.
I could see myself donking getting value of A high.But I also see myself being forced to Bet/call like Nina and I very much doubt that the river call is good. If we c/c on the other hand we miss value from worse hands. But we also get value from hopeless hands that he must bet with in order to take down the pot and we donīt have to face the agony of a raise. |
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