Should the PPA accept membership/backing from bot providers/users?

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Your olive branch, as expected, is full of thorns.

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Look are we little children here or what? You want all sugar and no criticism. You and others are trying to silence legitimate criticism with "love it or leave it" and "it's the only thing going" arguments and they won't wash. It's not black and white just because you don't want to shade it to gray.

Although I was sincere in saying I value TE and want him back here where he can be effective, that doesn't mean I am going to just agree with the PPA in its current form and quit lobbying for internal changes which are needed, even if a majority of posters here don't agree.

And the bottom line is that this is politics which includes the politics internal to a given faction. It's not for the faint hearted. Maybe TE really doesn't have the stomach for it and needs constant unqualified praise and reinforcement, but I hope that's not the case. And it's just pathetic to waste time posting in a venue that get no traffic.

If TE is only willing to return on his terms, which means Mason and myself and others caving 100% with no concession from the vested interests that run the board, then I guess he won't return. But it would be shame because he is valued here and this is the place where his talents can be used for greatest effect.

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2) Yeah the guy "complied". He now has a link to a different bot page. Same damn thing. He's still using his profile there to advertise a botting "championship" site which is nothing other than a marketing gimmick to sell his program and services.

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I note that the profile of the poster in question now has his webpage changed to the PPA site. Nice fast action.

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Crossposted from the PPA forums a post by Engineer:

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A poster on 2+2 has commented on RayBonnert's participation. Unlike some poker forums, this forum does NOT censor for ideas. We're not afraid of dissenting opinions.

We do have rules that we expect to be followed, which I spelled out for RayBonnert. He has followed them in his posts. The 2+2 poster pointed out that RayBonnert's profile violates our T&Cs. I'm unclear as to why he posted it on 2+2 rather than posting his concerns here, but we did happen to see the post.

Last night I sent RayBonnert notification that he needs to update his profile. He updated his profile, but it still did not comply. I just sent him a clarification of our requirements. He has until noon to comply.

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He refused our requests to comply with our T&Cs, so he's permanently banned..

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The banned botter asked me for clarification via a PM. Needless to say, I didn't reply, but I'll share info with you all.

Earlier in this thread, I clearly stated that we do not permit links to bot promoting sites. The action of my saying this alone makes it officially part of our T&Cs. He refused to comply. Adamantly refusing to comply and then relenting at 11:59 doesn't qualify, as it took longer than that for his profile to update. By then, we deleted his posts. Too bad. Tough luck. Whatever. Regardless, my decision is final.

We don't condone bots, botters, or other cheating.

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Engineer,

Thanks for taking care of this issue and making it clear that the PPA won't condone botting.

Now why don't you come back here and work your action threads?

[Phil153]

BT,

What the hell are you talking about? 2+2 let that person post and have an account here for months against the vocal objections of a lot of people, including me. He was even allowed to LINK to his site and advertise his world championship, which was little more than bot spam. He also initiated and participated in bot discussions on this forum.

It's a little hypocritical to go after the PPA when the same guy made a mockery of these forums and got a ton of free advertising.

I agree that everyone involved in online poker should distance themselves from this weirdo, including the PPA, but your childish criticism of the PPA for having this guy on their forums is just more of the same pettiness that doesn't help anyone.

Grow up man.

[Skallagrim]

Phil153's post above should pretty much close this issue.

The board dispute will, I am sure, live on. But that debate belongs (and already exists in many forms) elsewhere.

Skallagrim