Stars VIP Wild speculation

[berya]

Scotty,
A while ago I remember you posted something about FPP store prices being revisited in September? Anything going on on that front. The TV prices and other electronics are out of whack currently.
thank you

[bluey]

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I will speak from the fixed limit end of the argument about getting to Supernova Elte bbecause that is the only thing I play

1. Unfair that SNG players get to play unlimited games while cash game players have 12 table limit. Ide rather play more tables and less hours. Doesnt matter about winning or losing because that is all up to stars anyways, so you might as well maximize your tables.

2. Free rolls are stupid and bias. Geared towards no-limit tournament players that have nothing to do on Saturdays. Do you not think this is getting too specific, alianating the rest of the poker population. Might I add that alianating the part of the poker population that you need most is not such a smart idea. There are tons and tons of No limit tournament players ( fish and pros ) out there, but what is the player base for Cash game fixed limit players ?

3. Add more ( special perks ) at all milestone levels.

FE: You get 1.8c per FPP at the 500,000 milestone level or things of that nature. Instead of a onetime 4,200 dollar bonus that you have to play 20,000 hands to clear which is plenty of hands for them to rig against you and spread out that money throughout their player pool.


Solutions

1. Allow no max on games played, if a player can play 40 tables at once than allow him to do so.

2. Absolutely, possitively, get rid of the stupid freerolls. One time monthly bonus will be better , or T money or, even a money maker plate set with matching cups.

3. More lucrative rewards for 2million, 3 million, 4 million and 5 million. To make it worth while for dealing with rigged and borring online poker. I want to know there is a good reward after watching people fold for hours, days and weeks on in.

4. Get rid of Pokertracker and other software aids. If players are not good enough to play on their own then let them suffer. It just might help the games, way way too many tighty tighty nits. Its similar to allowing robots.

5. Advance notice of Double VPP days and more double VPP days. Hey theres a great Idea, get rid of all freerolls including the 100k monthly and all other freerolls and add 1 Double VPP day per month or 2 so that incase someone misses the one day they can have the other. Dont whine about this promo costing you too much money, because players will have to play and pay rake in order to get these points so it will increase play greatly on those days.

6. Start doing things to appeal to more regular ( non pro ) players as mentioned above removing the PA huds and such would help greatly.

7. Bottom line thinking will bottom out your company. Dont merely think of how to get more pros to play more tables against each other. For full ring limit games, if you play 12 tables, there are 8 players who are on most if not all your tables. What goes through the casual players mind when any table he opens he sees the same players on all tables ? He just closes down the software and plays somewhere else. Bring in more fish to games otherwise I see the future of limit poker dying very soon if not already dead. And yes this means the dreaded reload bonuses that stars just loves to hate. Stop being stingy and dishem out. The money is going to circulate back into your pockets anyways.

But then again what do I know, Ive only ran 5 successfull buisness and have net worth over 2 mill. ( which has dropped to 1.90 due to rigged poker on stars.

For those curious I am down about 20k on stars this year without counting any FPP or milestone bonuses. After all things considered Im down only 6k. Which is not bad at all considering I havent played 1 week of poker which hasnt been rigged on me. I have had maybe 5 normal days of poker all year.

Microbob, stop posting play more poker, it would be shame if you dont make elite this year because your posting here way to often. Maybe you dont win at poker because of bad decision making ?Posting over playing always bad decision. Im not sure if you win or not but I remember you saying that your slightly down.

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scotty pls ignore this entire post. thx

[chezlaw]

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I will speak from the fixed limit end of the argument about getting to Supernova Elte bbecause that is the only thing I play

1. Unfair that SNG players get to play unlimited games while cash game players have 12 table limit. Ide rather play more tables and less hours. Doesnt matter about winning or losing because that is all up to stars anyways, so you might as well maximize your tables.

2. Free rolls are stupid and bias. Geared towards no-limit tournament players that have nothing to do on Saturdays. Do you not think this is getting too specific, alianating the rest of the poker population. Might I add that alianating the part of the poker population that you need most is not such a smart idea. There are tons and tons of No limit tournament players ( fish and pros ) out there, but what is the player base for Cash game fixed limit players ?

3. Add more ( special perks ) at all milestone levels.

FE: You get 1.8c per FPP at the 500,000 milestone level or things of that nature. Instead of a onetime 4,200 dollar bonus that you have to play 20,000 hands to clear which is plenty of hands for them to rig against you and spread out that money throughout their player pool.


Solutions

1. Allow no max on games played, if a player can play 40 tables at once than allow him to do so.

2. Absolutely, possitively, get rid of the stupid freerolls. One time monthly bonus will be better , or T money or, even a money maker plate set with matching cups.

3. More lucrative rewards for 2million, 3 million, 4 million and 5 million. To make it worth while for dealing with rigged and borring online poker. I want to know there is a good reward after watching people fold for hours, days and weeks on in.

4. Get rid of Pokertracker and other software aids. If players are not good enough to play on their own then let them suffer. It just might help the games, way way too many tighty tighty nits. Its similar to allowing robots.

5. Advance notice of Double VPP days and more double VPP days. Hey theres a great Idea, get rid of all freerolls including the 100k monthly and all other freerolls and add 1 Double VPP day per month or 2 so that incase someone misses the one day they can have the other. Dont whine about this promo costing you too much money, because players will have to play and pay rake in order to get these points so it will increase play greatly on those days.

6. Start doing things to appeal to more regular ( non pro ) players as mentioned above removing the PA huds and such would help greatly.

7. Bottom line thinking will bottom out your company. Dont merely think of how to get more pros to play more tables against each other. For full ring limit games, if you play 12 tables, there are 8 players who are on most if not all your tables. What goes through the casual players mind when any table he opens he sees the same players on all tables ? He just closes down the software and plays somewhere else. Bring in more fish to games otherwise I see the future of limit poker dying very soon if not already dead. And yes this means the dreaded reload bonuses that stars just loves to hate. Stop being stingy and dishem out. The money is going to circulate back into your pockets anyways.

But then again what do I know, Ive only ran 5 successfull buisness and have net worth over 2 mill. ( which has dropped to 1.90 due to rigged poker on stars.

For those curious I am down about 20k on stars this year without counting any FPP or milestone bonuses. After all things considered Im down only 6k. Which is not bad at all considering I havent played 1 week of poker which hasnt been rigged on me. I have had maybe 5 normal days of poker all year.

Microbob, stop posting play more poker, it would be shame if you dont make elite this year because your posting here way to often. Maybe you dont win at poker because of bad decision making ?Posting over playing always bad decision. Im not sure if you win or not but I remember you saying that your slightly down.

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scotty pls ignore this entire post. thx

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except for this, maybe?

"Geared towards no-limit tournament"

The weekly tournaments and the SNE packages are geared towards the no-limt tournament players. Maybe stars could consider changing this to reward/encourage limit players

[1p0kerboy]

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except for this, maybe?

"Geared towards no-limit tournament"

The weekly tournaments and the SNE packages are geared towards the no-limt tournament players. Maybe stars could consider changing this to reward/encourage limit players


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There are tons of rewards in the VIP program for players of all games and stakes.

As far as SNE, one of the major perks is the 400% fpp bonus. This is a further example of a reward for all players.

The tournament packages are a vacation and a stake in a no-limit major event. So it's not as if an Omaha player (for instance) would get nothing out of this package.

We need to just accept the fact that in some instances Stars has to find rewards that most players will enjoy.

[Henry17]

I don't really see what Stars could offer to limit players. There simply is no high profile limit tournament that I know of.

As a limit player I still like the tournaments myself and I really can't think of a substitute for those who really don't like the idea of a trip and and chance to play in a major NL event. My argument would be that since hand for hand we earn base points faster then NL players that added value compensates.

Other then that the only other option would be to make the tournaments transferable. Limit it to SNs with 500k+ since Stars would still want it to be a high volume player. That way a SNE who really doesn't want to play a major could sell his package.

I really don't see this as a major issue though.s

[1p0kerboy]

Here's an idea to throw around:

What if, instead of the freerolls, Stars had a VIP player point leaderboard that awarded a tournament package to the WSOP Main Event or the PCA to the top 200 point totals?

Obviously this would have to exclude Elites. (They get enough anyways)

I think a VIPP LEADERBOARD would create a lot of excitement and competition.

[aoFrantic]

That misses the whole point though. As some get money, again, while the majority miss out.

Think of it as an election, the goal is to positively affect the largest amount of people, not just a few.

[OnlinePro]

Ok ill try this in the politically correct manner. Stars is great bla bla bla great customer service bla bla. Now that we got all the [censored] out the way lets get back to business.


1. Great point someone just brought up about getting fish to log in and play every day. Add more value for fish 0-200k area.


2. Bottom line is this. If stars is having with getting " most" of our play from the full timers, then keep the promos the same or close to the same. But if they want "all" of our play they are going to have to do something much better. Because game selection at stars is horrible. I dont get all of you saying games are good there. IS everyone playing No-limit now a days.

Any 6 max table you open up as minimum 3 pros and most likely 4. Chezlaw, marchinvest, sethypoo, and then if I am on the table that would make it 4. ALthough I am sure everyone gets excited to see me on the tables at stars since I cant win a hand, but lets not get back to the rigged thing because thats a whole nother idea. SO lets say that next year

Lets use this example.

The above mentioned 4 players play at least 6 tables at a time of 6 max 5-10 to 10-20. What happens next year if they dont like the deal stars is giving them ? What if they smarten up and talk to someone high up at Full tilt and see how high of an offer Fulltilt will give them for all that play ( hint, hint ). Now you have 6-10 tables that will just break.

120 hands per hour average - 2 dollar per hand rake average

lets use 7 tables as example.

240 times 7. Thats more than 1500 per hour stars misses out on per day times 6 times 4 times 12. Do you see where I am getting at. Thats 3.9 million thats stars loses if these 4 players dont play next year( using average 3 hours play per day ) . And how much are they getting back ? If they all make elite which I think they are Lets make a high estimate and say they get 350k

Dont sell yourselves short, you mean alot to this site and make them reward you handsomly for your play. This is why I am calling them stingy, because they know how valuble we are to them, yet they want to do the least amount possible to keep us playing. If you guys were half as smart as you think you are you would require these things.

Also a great idea was the happy hour thing, get more rewards for playing in less prime time hours.

The freeroll should not even be in question, get rid of the tournaments all together. Thats alreayd 1-2 million that can be added to the milestone or whatever bonuses that increases the amount people play.

[Alobar]

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Any 6 max table you open up as minimum 3 pros and most likely 4. Chezlaw, marchinvest, sethypoo, and then if I am on the table that would make it 4.

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so only 2 good players on a table of 6...sounds like pretty good tables to me

[MicroBob]

okay, now i'm curious which of those 3 you don't think is very good. I don't look forward to any of those 3 players at my table.

windbreaker - usually there is a goody-bag or something I believe. I got all sorts of little trinkets when I went to the WSOP in 2005. Nice large duffel-suitcase with my name embroidered on it, Stars jacket and a bunch of golf-shirts and t-shirts, Greg Raymer Bobblehead Doll!!!, pretty cute engraved 2005-WSOP card-protector thingee.
Stuff like that.

I don't know though if SN's are more likely to get more trinkets over regular Stars players who qualify. Maybe.