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#21
01-27-2007, 11:43 PM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
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Watch Thank You For Smoking. There's a pretty sweet scene where the main character teaches his son how to debate. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed the key to winning an arguement is about making the arguement about something you know you can win, not about the actual issue... think about how chicks argue sometime. 
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#22
01-28-2007, 12:15 AM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
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[ QUOTE ] Watch Thank You For Smoking. There's a pretty sweet scene where the main character teaches his son how to debate. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed the key to winning an arguement is about making the arguement about something you know you can win, not about the actual issue... think about how chicks argue sometime. [/ QUOTE ] Im not understanding this? what do you mean, just argue the things you know you are right about? Chicks when tehy argue, usualyl make no sense, so Im a little confused.
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#23
01-28-2007, 12:25 AM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
If you want to be a great negotiator, just observe the old Pakistani ladies that work at Dunkin Donuts. Here is what usually happens when I go to DD:
Me: Hi, I'd like 3 donuts Pakistani lady: CHEAPER BUY 6 Me: it's cheaper to buy 6 than 3? PL: YES!!! me: but if I add up the price of 3 individual donuts, it's less than the price for a half dozen. PL: CHEAPER BUY 6 me: no PL: OK WHAT KIND DONUT me: a boston creme, a lemon filled, and a french crawler PL: OK me: oh man, those double chocolates look so yummy..... ah [censored] it I'll get a half dozen, gimme a double chocolate, a strawberry jelly, and a chocolate long john PL: THANK YOU COME AGAIN
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#24
01-28-2007, 01:40 AM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Watch Thank You For Smoking. There's a pretty sweet scene where the main character teaches his son how to debate. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed the key to winning an arguement is about making the arguement about something you know you can win, not about the actual issue... think about how chicks argue sometime. [/ QUOTE ] Im not understanding this? what do you mean, just argue the things you know you are right about? Chicks when tehy argue, usualyl make no sense, so Im a little confused. [/ QUOTE ] The basic idea of the scene is the main character is eating ice cream with his son and they're talking about what's better, chocolate or vanilla. The kid likes chocolate and the dad decides to teach him how to debate. The kid starts and proclaims his love for chocolate saying something like "chocolate is all i need!" The dad then takes a more moderate road saying that he believes people need variety blah blah blah. In short, he argues against chocolate being all people need rather than arguing for vanilla being the best. If you prove the other person wrong you can win by default. Similar to political campaigning. Regardless of your stance on things, in a 2 candidate race, whoever can get closer to the middle in the voters minds will win.
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#25
01-28-2007, 01:58 AM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
I'm not very vociferous IRL, but I think it has helped me in negotiations. In my family, my dad and older brother are both salesman who enjoy talking. I've noticed that they are better Sellers, than they are Buyers, whereas I am a better Buyer than Seller.
Case in point: I was going to buy a new car a few years back and I had my dad drop me off at the dealership (during a 2-3 week sales process). I'm in there talking to teh salesman and he gives me this finance rate that I don't like. I say I don't like it (it was like 6%, and my bank would get me 5.19%, but I knew I should be able to get even better). My dad pipes in with "Can't you get 5.19% at our bank?" Car salesman: "You want 5.19%? I can do that! Let's do it!" Starts grabbing papers all excited... I'm like "No, I need better than that" and we get up and leave. I tore into my pops a bit for letting out information. He is used to being the one talking and throwing out the numbers, whereas when you are buying, the less the salesman knows, the better. I ended up getting 4.95% at another dealership.
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#26
01-28-2007, 02:26 AM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
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The best negotiating tactic is to pretend like you're caving when you are really getting what you want. Lame basic example: You want 3, he wants 1. Him: I want 1. You: I want 10. Him: That's crazy I can't go higher than 2. You: Well I can't go lower than 8. Him: Thats crazy You: Well maybe we can compromise. Him: How? You: Well I want 10, you want 1, what about 5? Him: No way, 3 is all i can offer. You: Well, I really think 5 is reasonable middle ground. Him: Well I can't get to 5 You: Whats the best you can do? Him: 3.5 is the absolute limit You: Well I wasn't supposed to go below 5, what do you think about 4.5 Him: can't do it You: hmmmm Him: 4 is all i can do, final offer, take it or leave it You: you drive a hard bargain, lemme think about it.....alright, guess you got me. You=winnah [/ QUOTE ] If you=you and I=him in this lame basic example, I would have stopped negotiating with you after you said you wanted 10.
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#27
01-28-2007, 05:38 AM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
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[ QUOTE ] The best negotiating tactic is to pretend like you're caving when you are really getting what you want. Lame basic example: You want 3, he wants 1. Him: I want 1. You: I want 10. Him: That's crazy I can't go higher than 2. You: Well I can't go lower than 8. Him: Thats crazy You: Well maybe we can compromise. Him: How? You: Well I want 10, you want 1, what about 5? Him: No way, 3 is all i can offer. You: Well, I really think 5 is reasonable middle ground. Him: Well I can't get to 5 You: Whats the best you can do? Him: 3.5 is the absolute limit You: Well I wasn't supposed to go below 5, what do you think about 4.5 Him: can't do it You: hmmmm Him: 4 is all i can do, final offer, take it or leave it You: you drive a hard bargain, lemme think about it.....alright, guess you got me. You=winnah [/ QUOTE ] If you=you and I=him in this lame basic example, I would have stopped negotiating with you after you said you wanted 10. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, this is a good example of negotiating in Africa.
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#28
01-28-2007, 09:37 AM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
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[ QUOTE ] (1) Always make the other person name the first number [/ QUOTE ] I was taught that number 1 is basically a myth and as long as you have a good grasp of your alternatives and such, you should be the one to name the first number as an anchoring point. [/ QUOTE ] Please go into more detail on this.
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#29
01-28-2007, 01:22 PM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
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The best negotiating tactic is to pretend like you're caving when you are really getting what you want. Lame basic example: You want 3, he wants 1. Him: I want 1. You: I want 10. Him: you're crazy! bye [/ QUOTE ] fyp
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#30
01-28-2007, 01:26 PM
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Re: help me become a better arguer/negotiater
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The best negotiating tactic is to pretend like you're caving when you are really getting what you want. Lame basic example: You want 3, he wants 1. Him: I want 1. You: I want 10. Him: you're crazy! bye [/ QUOTE ] Ya I tried this one time to. He kicked me out of his store immediately.
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