![]() |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
mondo,
you are arguing two things. one is who you think will get in, and the other is who you think the BBWAA will let in. somehow i am not surprised that you think these things match up perfectly |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Mondo,
Assuming steroids are irrelevant (I know they aren't, but just work under that assumption) McGwire got on base more often and hit for more power than Rice. They played for a similar amount of time. How is Rice better? Tim Raines' OPS+ was similar to Rice he played for longer and he had much more value running and defensively. McGwire >>>>>>> Kingman. |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
[ QUOTE ]
McGwire was certainly a better batter than Kingman -- I'm not saying the two are *exactly alike*. However, Kingman is the most comparable career stat line to McGwire of those who are out there, and given the controversy, I just don't see him getting in. [/ QUOTE ] Dissimilar Kingman = career .236/.302/.478 McGwire = career .263 /.394 /.588 More similar Kilebrew = career .256/.376/.509 McCovey = career .270/.374/.515 Cash = career .271/.374/.488 |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Rice is not better than McGuire, that said, they probably both belong in the hall of fame.
|
#25
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
[ QUOTE ]
mondo, you are arguing two things. one is who you think will get in, and the other is who you think the BBWAA will let in. somehow i am not surprised that you think these things match up perfectly [/ QUOTE ] I hardly think they match up perfectly. I think Gossage and Rice are years overdue, and their exclusion thus far is pretty unforgivable. Clearly, I've been wrong about those guys for several years. Like I said, it wouldn't really shock me if McGwire eventually gets in, but I don't see where, in the last 10 years or so, the guys who were first eligible and weren't really close to getting in, eventually got in. So I think, in this case, McGwire ends up not getting in. |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
goose gossage deserves to be in the HOF simply due to his awesome mustache and cool name
|
#27
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
[ QUOTE ]
sylar - don't you remember Lee Smith as a Yankee, or are you that young? [/ QUOTE ] in 1993 i was busy throwing empty bottles at communists occupying this building. ![]() |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
im surprised that no one here has picked shawon dunston
|
#29
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] McGwire was certainly a better batter than Kingman -- I'm not saying the two are *exactly alike*. However, Kingman is the most comparable career stat line to McGwire of those who are out there, and given the controversy, I just don't see him getting in. [/ QUOTE ] Dissimilar Kingman = career .236/.302/.478 McGwire = career .263 /.394 /.588 More similar Kilebrew = career .256/.376/.509 McCovey = career .270/.374/.515 Cash = career .271/.374/.488 [/ QUOTE ] Most similar players (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mcgwima01.shtml) Jim Thome (826) Jose Canseco (808) Carlos Delgado (803) Harmon Killebrew (783) * Willie McCovey (767) * Jason Giambi (756) Juan Gonzalez (739) Norm Cash (736) Dave Kingman (732) Manny Ramirez (730) *HOF Two HOF in top 5, a couple of other probables as well. Also Kingman is in there. |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Mosdef,
All of those similarity scores are pretty low fwiw. |
![]() |
|
|