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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
what are you guys talking about? tay is in the bb, why cant he have a 4?
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x. [/ QUOTE ] agree, JJ+ seems quite likely [/ QUOTE ] agree w this can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove? [/ QUOTE ] if his range is this vague that we're valuebluffing to ensure a showdown, we're getting owned [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about its a straight bluff if he has JJ-QQ [/ QUOTE ] no way is it a bluff if he has QQ or JJ. Theres no chance of you folding a better hand than QQ to this action, and you shouldnt. [/ QUOTE ] He is saying that pushing w/ AT to get JJ-QQ to fold would be a bluff. I think. |
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
doesn't he reraise like A LOT preflop, if this is the session I think it was it seemeed like he was reraising almost every time he played a raised pot.
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio.
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x. [/ QUOTE ] agree, JJ+ seems quite likely [/ QUOTE ] agree w this can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove? [/ QUOTE ] if his range is this vague that we're valuebluffing to ensure a showdown, we're getting owned [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about its a straight bluff if he has JJ-QQ [/ QUOTE ] no way is it a bluff if he has QQ or JJ. Theres no chance of you folding a better hand than QQ to this action, and you shouldnt. [/ QUOTE ] He is saying that pushing w/ AT to get JJ-QQ to fold would be a bluff. I think. [/ QUOTE ] ah i think you are right that makes much more sense. |
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
yah what ansky said
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
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3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio. [/ QUOTE ] i wonder if he'll go steady w you |
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] 3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i wonder if he'll go steady w you [/ QUOTE ] unless you have the most insane image ever, 3 betting this flop is miserable. calling is really your only option given the board texture. |
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] 3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i wonder if he'll go steady w you [/ QUOTE ] unless you have the most insane image ever, 3 betting this flop is miserable. calling is really your only option given the board texture. [/ QUOTE ] what, if anything then, SHOULD we be 3betting this flop? I am guessing the "correct" answer is "nothing," but I don't think that's right. FWIW, people try to 3bet AK/AQ/AJ out of frustration alot. If we decided to bluff, is it better to 3bet or call the c/r and fire on the turn if able? (Or make a move over a turn bet, which seems really, really crazy?) |
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
i doubt he ever folds JJ QQ here and those feel like the worst in his range now.
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